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Thread: Should foreigns have the following protections

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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    You lost me at "Creator".
    Take it up with those who created the Declaration of Independence. Their word, not mine.

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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    In scenario 4, that's if the officer has probable cause to believe illegal items are on the dutch guy/in his car?
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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    No probable cause, just dislikes foriegners so wanted to give him a hassle

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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Take it up with those who created the Declaration of Independence. Their word, not mine.
    I would, but it is unnecessary since the same people who fought for our independence were smart enough to leave their Creator out of our government. I only wish the politicians of today were as wise.
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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    I don't believe any of those scenarios as written are proper action of the government.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    I would, but it is unnecessary since the same people who fought for our independence were smart enough to leave their Creator out of our government. I only wish the politicians of today were as wise.
    ...but those same people who fought for our independence explicitately stated that the rights are endowed by a Creator.

    You make no sense.

    how can I have "lost" you at creator by stating exactly what is in the DOI and then somehow in response you compliment the founders while still disagreeing with my use of the word while acting like they didn't say it....

    I'm....lost

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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    ...but those same people who fought for our independence explicitately stated that the rights are endowed by a Creator.

    You make no sense.

    how can I have "lost" you at creator by stating exactly what is in the DOI and then somehow in response you compliment the founders while still disagreeing with my use of the word while acting like they didn't say it....

    I'm....lost
    Humans are deserving of those rights whether given by a Creator or inherent in free will. You don't have to be a creationist to support fundamental human rights. So I suppose I disagree with the founding fathers on their words and reasons, but not the results. And the fact that they left religion out of the Constitution despite their own theological views makes me respect them even more.
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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    Humans are deserving of those rights whether given by a Creator or inherent in free will. You don't have to be a creationist to support fundamental human rights. So I suppose I disagree with the founding fathers on their words and reasons, but not the results. And the fact that they left religion out of the Constitution despite their own theological views makes me respect them even more.
    FYI, Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, including the part about the Creator. That's the same guy who practically created the idea of Separation of Church and State.

    You're basically saying that the guy who invented Separation of Church and State, violated the Separation of Church and State.

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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    1. If a gentleman from England comes into this country and is on a long term visit and writes a negative letter to the editor piece about Barak Obama, do you think it should be okay for the government to throw him in jail for his negative speech against the POTUS?
    Pretty obvious where this is going.

    All adults has the right to free speech, unless they voluntarily agree to give it up. The fact that you are not a citizen does not matter.

    This does NOT extend to election contributions, however, though that was not part of the issue presented.

    2. If a gentleman from Canada comes into America on vacation and openly is talking about his worship of the Devil as a Satanist, should he be arrested and put in a mental institute for his following of a crazy evil religion?
    Establishment clause. So long as he does nothing illegal, or otherwise harm/threaten others, or conspires to do any of these things he is free to worship satan.

    3. If a group of Chinese people assembled in front of the Empire State Building taking numerous pictures would it be fine to forcefully get them to disperse and arrest any that wouldn't.
    That depends on the specifics. If they are, say, impeding the progress of others, then yes.

    4. If a gentleman from the netherlands is here and ends up getting pulled over for going 3 over the speed limit should he be subject to a full body cavity search, his entire car searched, and numerous items siezed to give them a more thurough investigation if the police officer wishes?
    That depends entirely on his actions and other circumstances. Usually the answer is no, but there are instances where it may be warranted.

    5. If an individual from Russia is thought of as a suspect for a crime and is poor at speaking english do you believe its fine for the cops to get him in an interrogation room and tell him if he confesses and said he did it he'll get out within a day and back home?
    The police are legally able to lie to a suspect to get him to divulge information.
    However, they are not allowed to make deals in bad faith, and they are stupid to make such a deal w/o the suspects lawyer present, as, if the DA is stupid enough to run with it, the whole thing will get tossed out of court.

    6. If a gentleman from Dubai is suspected of robbery is it okay to throw him in jail without a trial?
    Yes.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 01-26-10 at 05:42 PM.

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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    FYI, Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, including the part about the Creator. That's the same guy who practically created the idea of Separation of Church and State.

    You're basically saying that the guy who invented Separation of Church and State, violated the Separation of Church and State.
    The Declaration of Independence wasn't law, it was speech. I'm saying the guy who invented separating church and state didn't do it for his own sake, he did it because it was the right thing to do despite his personal beliefs.
    Last edited by Tsunami; 01-26-10 at 05:42 PM.
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