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Thread: Should foreigns have the following protections

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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    1. If a gentleman from England comes into this country and is on a long term visit and writes a negative letter to the editor piece about Barak Obama, do you think it should be okay for the government to throw him in jail for his negative speech against the POTUS?

    2. If a gentleman from Canada comes into America on vacation and openly is talking about his worship of the Devil as a Satanist, should he be arrested and put in a mental institute for his following of a crazy evil religion?

    3. If a group of Chinese people assembled in front of the Empire State Building taking numerous pictures would it be fine to forcefully get them to disperse and arrest any that wouldn't.

    4. If a gentleman from the netherlands is here and ends up getting pulled over for going 3 over the speed limit should he be subject to a full body cavity search, his entire car searched, and numerous items siezed to give them a more thurough investigation if the police officer wishes?

    5. If an individual from Russia is thought of as a suspect for a crime and is poor at speaking english do you believe its fine for the cops to get him in an interrogation room and tell him if he confesses and said he did it he'll get out within a day and back home?

    6. If a gentleman from Dubai is suspected of robbery is it okay to throw him in jail without a trial?

    Just wanting to check on some of these, as it appears numreous people on this forum have repeatedly stated that the constitution should not apply to foreign individuals. As such the right to freedom of speech, religion, assembly, search and siezure, fair trial, etc should in no way apply to ANY foreigners, correct?

    So, which of these scenarios do you feel is perfectly acceptable legally?
    Since I do not believe that the constitution applies to foreigners I say the government can do any of those things especially if they are illegal aliens(illegal aliens can not purchase firearms under the Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986). So the government can dictate which constitutional rights foreigners get,especially if they are here illegally. If the government wanted to make a law that says non-citizens can not protest then it is free to do so.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 01-26-10 at 12:53 PM.
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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Since I do not believe that the constitution applies to foreigners I say the government can do any of those things especially if they are illegal aliens(illegal aliens can not purchase firearms under the Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986). So the government can dictate which constitutional rights foreigners get,especially if they are here illegally. If the government wanted to make a law that says non-citizens can not protest then it is free to do so.
    So you'd be willing to completely kill the American tourism industry? A multi-Billion Dollar industry. Because who in the hell would come here if we could do what you propose?
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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    I'm probably in the minority here---but American Laws, should apply to American citizens. Others should act like well mannered House guests, or load up their "I love NY T-shirts", and ease on back home.
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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    So you'd be willing to completely kill the American tourism industry?


    So you would be cool letting someone on a visa or even someone here illegally get a firearm? Surely if you think constitutional rights apply to anyone in this country then you must think they should get all constitutional rights.

    If we want to include constitutional rights to guest and trespassers in our country then we should make an Amendment to the constitutional.

    A multi-Billion Dollar industry. Because who in the hell would come here if we could do what you propose?
    If they act like well mannered guest then there will not be a problem.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 01-26-10 at 01:55 PM.
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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    I'm probably in the minority here---but American Laws, should apply to American citizens. Others should act like well mannered House guests, or load up their "I love NY T-shirts", and ease on back home.
    Some laws do apply only to American citizens, such as the right to vote. Other laws are considered fundamental to free will and are thus beyond our scope of law.
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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you would be cool letting someone on a visa or even someone here illegally get a firearm?
    Nope. I didn't say that. But the person I was responding to said he was fine with everything on the list. Some of those things are just silly. Like forcing Chinese people to disburse if they gather in front of a monument or arresting a visitor that writes a negative letter about the President. That's just nonsense.


    If they act like well mannered guest then there will not be a problem.
    Millions of people visit America ever year. DC, New York, Vegas, Florida, our beaches, mountains, etc... Do you really think they're all gonna be well behaved?

    If tourists are not under the American rule of law when they visit here then which laws are they under? None? Their home country? Because if it's their home country how in the hell are we gonna enforce those laws here? Foreign laws have no legal standing in the US.
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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    Nope. I didn't say that.
    So constitutional rights do not apply to foreigners? Or are you just picking and choosing which constitutional rights apply?
    But the person I was responding to said he was fine with everything on the list. Some of those things are just silly. Like forcing Chinese people to disburse if they gather in front of a monument or arresting a visitor that writes a negative letter about the President. That's just nonsense.
    Those things would be a violation of the 1st amendment if an American citizen was arrested for doing those things. Constitutional rights are constitutional rights regardless if it is the 1st,2nd,3rd amendment and so on.



    Millions of people visit America ever year. DC, New York, Vegas, Florida, our beaches, mountains, etc... Do you really think they're all gonna be well behaved?

    They better be on their best behavior.

    If tourists are not under the American rule of law when they visit here then which laws are they under?
    They are under American law when they are here,however constitutional rights do not apply to them. Since they are not citizens the constitution does not apply to them,if they say something we do not like we can say **** you, you are out of here on the first plane back to your country or we can throw them in jail as long as we like. We can say that while you are a guest or trespasser in this country you do not have a right to protest,peacefully assemble, a right to lawyer, a right to keep and bear arms, and so on.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 01-26-10 at 02:18 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    So in general you disagree with the founders and the notions found within the Declaration of Independence that the rights this country are founded on are unalienable rights bestowed upon us by a Creator that the government should not take from people?

    You believe rights are instead creations of the government, bestowed only upon those the government views as a citizen, with others having no rights and therefore completely disconnected from the notion of them being bestowed from a creator?

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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So in general you disagree with the founders and the notions found within the Declaration of Independence that the rights this country are founded on are unalienable rights bestowed upon us by a Creator that the government should not take from people?

    You believe rights are instead creations of the government, bestowed only upon those the government views as a citizen, with others having no rights and therefore completely disconnected from the notion of them being bestowed from a creator?
    You lost me at "Creator".
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    Re: Should foreigns have the following protections

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    You lost me at "Creator".
    Did Thomas Jefferson lose you at "Creator" too?

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