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Thread: The Wars On Terror

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    Re: The Wars On Terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Not sure how any of this is supposed to negate the soundness of what I said.
    What it is?

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    Re: The Wars On Terror

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    What it is?
    As I said:


    -A state of war CAN exit w/o a declaration by Congress.
    If another state declares war on us, or another country makes war on us, with or without a declaration of war on their part, then regardless of what Congress does, a state of war exixts.

    -The President does not need a declaration of war before he can extercise his powers of the CinC.
    There is absolutely NO constitutional limitation on the powers of the CinC, especially not one that -requires- that congress to declare war before said powers come into force.

    And thus, while you are coorrect in that only Congress can decare war, this does not create the limitations you think it does.


    Your last response does nothing to counter any of this.

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    Re: The Wars On Terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    As I said:


    -A state of war CAN exit w/o a declaration by Congress.
    If another state declares war on us, or another country makes war on us, with or without a declaration of war on their part, then regardless of what Congress does, a state of war exixts.

    -The President does not need a declaration of war before he can extercise his powers of the CinC.
    There is absolutely NO constitutional limitation on the powers of the CinC, especially not one that -requires- that congress to declare war before said powers come into force.

    And thus, while you are coorrect in that only Congress can decare war, this does not create the limitations you think it does.


    Your last response does nothing to counter any of this.
    On what basis do you offer your assertions?


    "Article II


    Section 2 - Civilian Power over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments

    The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States..."

    I read this to mean that "civilian power over military".

    I still say that only congress can declare war.

    Or, are we playing semantics such as what is the definition of"
    "war"?

    Are we talking semantics here?

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    Re: The Wars On Terror

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    On what basis do you offer your assertions?
    The US Constitution, and logic.

    "Article II Section 2 -
    The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States..."
    I read this to mean that "civilian power over military".
    And? Nothing here states that his powers as CinC are limited to a declared war. There is -no- Constitutional restriction on what the CinC can do with his power as the CinC.

    I still say that only congress can declare war.
    And I agreed with you -- but that doesnt change the fact that a state of war can exist w/o such a declaration, and the the President, as CinC is not limited in his power by the presence of absence of such adeclaration.

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    Re: The Wars On Terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The US Constitution, and logic.


    And? Nothing here states that his powers as CinC are limited to a declared war. There is -no- Constitutional restriction on what the CinC can do with his power as the CinC.


    And I agreed with you -- but that doesnt change the fact that a state of war can exist w/o such a declaration, and the the President, as CinC is not limited in his power by the presence of absence of such adeclaration.
    In essence you are implying that the president has more power than hitler had.

    None of the framers of the constitution wanted the president to have such an unlimited power.

    Or, maybe you can cite some references on some framers who wanted the president to be a war president.

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    Re: The Wars On Terror

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    In essence you are implying that the president has more power than hitler had.

    None of the framers of the constitution wanted the president to have such an unlimited power.
    Please cite for me the constitutionally specified limititations on the powers of the CinC.

    You seem to be stuck on the idea that the only time war can be made is when Congress declares that a state of war exists. This is -exactly- the situation the people that wrote the Constitution were trying to avoid, as the defense of the nation requires the ability to act faster than Congress can deliberate. That was true back then -- imagine the need today.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 02-23-10 at 02:27 PM.

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