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Whos business is it?

Is it any of the governments business what consenting adults do with each other?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 15.9%
  • No

    Votes: 37 84.1%

  • Total voters
    44

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If two consenting adult males voluntarily agree to exchange fluids, is it any of the governments business?
 
If two consenting adult males voluntarily agree to exchange fluids, is it any of the governments business?

Of course not.

Edit: Nor is it the business of anyone else, either.
 
The government is becoming a nanny state that is way to far up in our business on a multitude of issues. We need to shrink the size and scope of government.
 
Of course not.

Edit: Nor is it the business of anyone else, either.

Hey TM, that's great, but suppose instead of exchanging fluids, two consenting adult males voluntarily agree to exchange pokemon cards instead, or to exchange casserole recipes. Now whose business is it?
 
If two consenting adult males voluntarily agree to exchange fluids, is it any of the governments business?

Of course not. Only someone that believes the act of exchanging fluids is a sin would dare try to control the actions of tax-paying American citizens. Sounds like something those crazy liberals would do. They're such a bunch of control freaks.

Oh wait...
 
Hey TM, that's great, but suppose instead of exchanging fluids, two consenting adult males voluntarily agree to exchange pokemon cards instead, or to exchange casserole recipes. Now whose business is it?

Umm...

Still only their own?

Obviously?
 
If two consenting adult males voluntarily agree to exchange fluids, is it any of the governments business?

No. And personally, I don't see why anyone else should care. If you want to swap DNA - go for it. If you're an adult and consent to such, I could give a rats ass what you do... and don't really see why anyone else should care.
 
Of course not. Of course this is no reason to allow anyone (heteros included) to get married.

I know everyone was thinking it, but I hate one sided poles like this.

No, I am not debating this again. Many other threads cover the gambit, this one will make no difference or change anyones views.
 
Hey TM, that's great, but suppose instead of exchanging fluids, two consenting adult males voluntarily agree to exchange pokemon cards instead, or to exchange casserole recipes. Now whose business is it?

:doh
Is this going to be a Goobieman-style, bury-the-actual-topic thread? What do you REALLY want to talk about? Sales taxes?
 
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If two consenting adult males voluntarily agree to exchange fluids, is it any of the governments business?

Your Euphemism works to actually illustrate gay sex better than just saying "gay sex".

Euphemisms don't work like that !
 
Umm...

Still only their own?

Obviously?

Excellent! So perhaps you could tell me, when instead of exchanging fluids, or pokemon cards, or casserole recipes, if two consenting adult males voluntarily agree to exchange labour and capital, why is it suddenly any of the government's business?
 
No. And personally, I don't see why anyone else should care. If you want to swap DNA - go for it. If you're an adult and consent to such, I could give a rats ass what you do... and don't really see why anyone else should care.

Awesome. So if, as you say, its no one else's business if two consenting adults want to swap DNA, then why should it be anyone else's business if two consenting adults want to swap labour or capital?
 
If two consenting adult males voluntarily agree to exchange fluids, is it any of the governments business?

Guys trade a bottle of WD40 for a can or two of 10W30 all the time.

The government should stay out of it.
 
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Of course not. Of course this is no reason to allow anyone (heteros included) to get married.

I know everyone was thinking it, but I hate one sided poles like this.

No, I am not debating this again. Many other threads cover the gambit, this one will make no difference or change anyones views.

This debate has nothing to do with marriage. It has to do with people (and government) sticking their nose where it doesn't belong.
 
Awesome. So if, as you say, its no one else's business if two consenting adults want to swap DNA, then why should it be anyone else's business if two consenting adults want to swap labour or capital?

How do you swap labor?
 
Excellent! So perhaps you could tell me, when instead of exchanging fluids, or pokemon cards, or casserole recipes, if two consenting adult males voluntarily agree to exchange labor and capital, why is it suddenly any of the government's business?

Is it?

Or has said government MADE it their business?

I assume you speak in this case of taxes?

In this day and age, a certain level of taxation seems necessary, to provide for national defense, at the very least.
Certainly, it would seem unlikely that the government could rely on charitable donations for military/counter-terrorism/espionage funding.

But what is your position?
 
How do you swap labor?

An example of a direct labour exchange would be if a watchmaker fixes a thatchers watch in exchange for the thatcher fixing the watchmakers roof.

An indirect exchange of labour would be if the watchmaker pays the thatcher $10, (which the watchmaker earned fixing people's watches) in exchange for the thatcher fixing the watchmaker's roof.
 
How do you swap labor?

Well let's say I'm a plumber. I unclog your pipes. You're a mechanic. You tune up my engine and lube everything up.

Or maybe I'm writing a gay porn novel and those are the only two examples I can think of right now.
 
Well let's say I'm a plumber. I unclog your pipes. You're a mechanic. You tune up my engine and lube everything up.

Or maybe I'm writing a gay porn novel and those are the only two examples I can think of right now.

:rofl

Quite excellent humor, I say!
 
Is it?

Or has said government MADE it their business?

I assume you speak in this case of taxes?

In this day and age, a certain level of taxation seems necessary, to provide for national defense, at the very least.
Certainly, it would seem unlikely that the government could rely on charitable donations for military/counter-terrorism/espionage funding.

But what is your position?

I wasn't speaking specifically of taxes, though certainly they could be pertinent to the topic. I was speaking more generally of the extent to which the government should be involved in agreements between consenting adults.

For example. Consider that I (being a consenting adult) and Bill Gates (being another consenting adult) might both voluntarily enter into an agreement wherein I agree to work 13 hrs/day with no breaks cleaning the bathrooms of the microsoft building in exchange for $1.50/hr.

Keeping in mind that we were both fully aware of the terms of the agreement beforehand, and that either of us could walk away from the agreement at any time. Whose business is it what two consenting adults like Bill and I agree to do with each other?
 
Nope---long as I don't have to watch. Keep that stuff in private.
 
I wasn't speaking specifically of taxes, though certainly they could be pertinent to the topic. I was speaking more generally of the extent to which the government should be involved in agreements between consenting adults.

For example. Consider that I (being a consenting adult) and Bill Gates (being another consenting adult) might both voluntarily enter into an agreement wherein I agree to work 13 hrs/day with no breaks cleaning the bathrooms of the microsoft building in exchange for $1.50/hr.

Keeping in mind that we were both fully aware of the terms of the agreement beforehand, and that either of us could walk away from the agreement at any time. Whose business is it what two consenting adults like Bill and I agree to do with each other?

That would be considered taxable income. Unfortunately the fruits of your labor are taxable. So most states, and certainly the Federal government have an interest.

I have not figured out what if anything this has to do with swapping bodily fluids though?

Don't be obtuse, get to the point.
 
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