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Thread: Whos business is it?

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    Re: Whos business is it?

    Its difficult to say if your talking about general sex in whatever combination than no however for example very extreme physical pain should have some kind of government safe guard.
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    Re: Whos business is it?

    Playing along with your premise that it *is* an economic transaction...
    It's less deserving of government regulation than other economic transactions because 1) There are few or no market externalities involved, 2) It does not undermine the basic workings of our economic system, 3) There's no possible source of tax revenue unless it's prostitution, and 4) Regulations of this nature are highly unlikely to work at all.
    1)Like hell there aren't. When a gay dude has sex with another gay dude, it can affect his spouse, his children, other gay dudes who thought they were in a monogamous relationship with him, etc... These are all market externalities.

    2)Sure it does. What if a bunch of gay dudes get together and form a cartel where they all agree not to have sex with anyone who doesn't have a Y chromosome? Cartels and refusal to deal presumably undermine our economic system.

    Or what if one gay guy starts demanding that if another gay guy wants to purchase sex in exchange for sex, he has to purchase emotional baggage as well? In economic terms I believe that is called tying and is part of anti-trust legislation.

    3)What on earth are you talking about? It's easy, just make a gay sex tax. Every time you have gay sex, you owe the government $2.50. There. Source of tax revenue problem solved.

    4)If I wanted to make effective changes to policy I would go to makeeffectivechangestopolicy.com. The question is "whose business is it?" not "what would be a practical and effective uses of resources."

    And that's all *I* see in your example too. Which is exactly why it's different than anti-competitive market behavior. If those alpha males had somehow PREVENTED the beta males from competing (as opposed to merely just offering a better product), then that would be a better analogy.
    Yes, but that is all I see in either example, while apparently you see something different in the less sexual example, which is what I was inquiring about.

    Outside of the direct use of force, companies can't PREVENT other companies from competing. They can make it more challenging surely, but they can't PREVENT it. Price fixing doesn't prevent competition. Cartels don't prevent competition. Tying doesn't prevent competition, neither does predatory pricing or refusal to deal. The only thing that prevents competition is a more appealing product at a lower price.

    If I (being a consenting adult) have something you want, and am unwilling to sell it to you unless you also accept something you don't want, then you can accept both the wanted and the unwanted, or you can just go without. Why should it be anyone else's business?

    It seems to me that people accept the bad with the good when it comes to sex all the time. Why is tying acceptable then?

    So just to clarify, you're perfectly OK with a bureaucratic entity making your decisions for you, as long as you didn't elect it and it calls itself a corporation instead of a government. Personally I don't want ANYONE setting the price of bread nationwide - whether it's the Politburo or Monopolistic Bread Corporation. Market forces work so much better.
    Now who's being hyperbolic? I am perfectly ok with consenting adults entering voluntarily into agreements with each other even if those agreements involve agreeing on what price they will sell their bread for.

    First of all, they are placing themselves in a classic prisoner's dilemma, which is an innately unstable position, and will provide incentive for them to break off from the agreement before long.

    Secondly, it just isn't possible for them to get every single breadmaker on the planet to join the pricefixing gang, so the pricefixers will lose business to the breadmakers providing bread at more competitive prices.

    Thirdly, even if it were possible, I do in fact have an oven of my own, and could make my own damn bread. My desire to have my bread made for me by someone else takes no precedence over the basic human agency of consenting adult bakers to enter into voluntary agreements with each other.

    Fine, except in the real world, the government focuses more on practical measures instead of philosophical purity, and rightly so.
    As as a matter of practicality, if there is enough bigotry in their base, it is beneficial for politicians to try and make sexual unions between consenting gay adults part of the government's business. That doesn't imho make it right.

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    Re: Whos business is it?

    Its difficult to say if your talking about general sex in whatever combination than no however for example very extreme physical pain should have some kind of government safe guard.
    So people shouldn't have the agency to consent to extreme physical pain?

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    Re: Whos business is it?

    See the problem with having such mad debate skillz is that pretty soon no one can come up with any rebuttals, and as a result, the thread dies...

    Really? No takers? Someone should really come and put me in my place here...

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    Re: Whos business is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    See the problem with having such mad debate skillz is that pretty soon no one can come up with any rebuttals, and as a result, the thread dies...

    Really? No takers? Someone should really come and put me in my place here...
    What?

    Debate skills?

    Oh.

    I just forgot about this thread.

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    Re: Whos business is it?

    What?

    Debate skills?

    Oh.

    I just forgot about this thread.

    What were we talking about?
    Glad to have you back!

    I believe we were discussing people (and government) keeping their collective noses out of other people's business. In particular with regards to sexuality, economics and wage disparity so far... Other topics related to people minding their damn business are welcome.

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    Re: Whos business is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    See the problem with having such mad debate skillz is that pretty soon no one can come up with any rebuttals, and as a result, the thread dies...

    Really? No takers? Someone should really come and put me in my place here...
    Dude, the entire premise of this thread was comparing anal sex to corporate regulations, on the premise that something was being "exchanged" (i.e. bodily fluids) in both cases. Give me a freaking break.

    Furthermore, by your own admission you don't care about what policies are actually practical. You only care about philosophical purity. Since we aren't even arguing with the same goal in mind (e.g. I want a competent government and a functional economy, whereas you want to be philosophically consistent) it's rather pointless to debate, as we will just argue around each other.
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    Re: Whos business is it?

    Dude, the entire premise of this thread was comparing anal sex to corporate regulations, on the premise that something was being "exchanged" (i.e. bodily fluids) in both cases. Give me a freaking break.
    Glad to have you back too! I shall send that break to you right away. Do you prefer FedEx or UPS?

    Also, the rebuttals which you were unable to address can be found 5 posts up. Feel free to give it a go if you think you are ready.

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    Re: Whos business is it?

    Furthermore, by your own admission you don't care about what policies are actually practical. You only care about philosophical purity. Since we aren't even arguing with the same goal in mind (e.g. I want a competent government and a functional economy, whereas you want to be philosophically consistent) it's rather pointless to debate, as we will just argue around each other.
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    Re: Whos business is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    What's wrong McFly? Are ya chicken?
    Yep. Terrified. Petrified. Stupified...of you.

    If I wanted to make effective changes to policy I would go to makeeffectivechangestopolicy.com. The question is "whose business is it?" not "what would be a practical and effective uses of resources."
    That sums up your point of view quite well, and illustrates quite clearly that we have little common ground from which to debate the subject.
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