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Thread: Whos business is it?

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    Re: Whos business is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    How do you swap labor?
    Well let's say I'm a plumber. I unclog your pipes. You're a mechanic. You tune up my engine and lube everything up.

    Or maybe I'm writing a gay porn novel and those are the only two examples I can think of right now.
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    Re: Whos business is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    Well let's say I'm a plumber. I unclog your pipes. You're a mechanic. You tune up my engine and lube everything up.

    Or maybe I'm writing a gay porn novel and those are the only two examples I can think of right now.


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    Re: Whos business is it?

    Is it?

    Or has said government MADE it their business?

    I assume you speak in this case of taxes?

    In this day and age, a certain level of taxation seems necessary, to provide for national defense, at the very least.
    Certainly, it would seem unlikely that the government could rely on charitable donations for military/counter-terrorism/espionage funding.

    But what is your position?
    I wasn't speaking specifically of taxes, though certainly they could be pertinent to the topic. I was speaking more generally of the extent to which the government should be involved in agreements between consenting adults.

    For example. Consider that I (being a consenting adult) and Bill Gates (being another consenting adult) might both voluntarily enter into an agreement wherein I agree to work 13 hrs/day with no breaks cleaning the bathrooms of the microsoft building in exchange for $1.50/hr.

    Keeping in mind that we were both fully aware of the terms of the agreement beforehand, and that either of us could walk away from the agreement at any time. Whose business is it what two consenting adults like Bill and I agree to do with each other?

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    Re: Whos business is it?

    Nope---long as I don't have to watch. Keep that stuff in private.
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    Re: Whos business is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    I wasn't speaking specifically of taxes, though certainly they could be pertinent to the topic. I was speaking more generally of the extent to which the government should be involved in agreements between consenting adults.

    For example. Consider that I (being a consenting adult) and Bill Gates (being another consenting adult) might both voluntarily enter into an agreement wherein I agree to work 13 hrs/day with no breaks cleaning the bathrooms of the microsoft building in exchange for $1.50/hr.

    Keeping in mind that we were both fully aware of the terms of the agreement beforehand, and that either of us could walk away from the agreement at any time. Whose business is it what two consenting adults like Bill and I agree to do with each other?
    That would be considered taxable income. Unfortunately the fruits of your labor are taxable. So most states, and certainly the Federal government have an interest.

    I have not figured out what if anything this has to do with swapping bodily fluids though?

    Don't be obtuse, get to the point.
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    Re: Whos business is it?

    That would be considered taxable income. Unfortunately the fruits of your labor are taxable. So most states, and certainly the Federal government have an interest.

    I have not figured out what if anything this has to do with swapping bodily fluids though?

    Don't be obtuse, get to the point.
    Well, there will be plenty of time to talk about taxes, for now lets just talk about whose business it is in terms of morality.

    If the government has no business telling two consenting adult males that it "isn't right" for them to swap fluids, then why should they be allowed to tell two consenting adult males that it "isn't right" for them to exchange labour for less than $7.25/hr.

    What business have they telling them that it "isn't right" for them to exchange more than 8 hours of labour/day at that rate?

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    Re: Whos business is it?

    Ok, so we currently have 14 no votes and 0 yes votes. The original poll question was:

    Is it any of the governments business what consenting adults do with each other?
    Considering that exchanging labour for capital is something that consenting adults do with each other all the time, does anyone want to amend their vote? Or do we all agree that laissez faire capitalism is the way to go?

    Hopefully we can find some yes votes, otherwise this was a waste of a thread.

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    Re: Whos business is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Well, there will be plenty of time to talk about taxes, for now lets just talk about whose business it is in terms of morality.

    If the government has no business telling two consenting adult males that it "isn't right" for them to swap fluids, then why should they be allowed to tell two consenting adult males that it "isn't right" for them to exchange labour for less than $7.25/hr.
    It's not in my opinion. The minimum wage is in my opinion wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    What business have they telling them that it "isn't right" for them to exchange more than 8 hours of labour/day at that rate?
    In the end to many businesses try to take advantage of the workers. Has to do with that whole "life and liberty" thing, for me anyway.

    When someone has to spend more than 1/4 of the day working, they should get a higher rate of pay for anything after 8 hours. This is not unreasonable in my opinion. If you don't want to do that you can make a salaried contract to ignore that restriction. This goes for the worker and employer.

    A company I worked for had 4 different stores within 1 hours drive of each other. Employees were sometimes told to work at a different store for various reasons. Sometimes people worked over 18 hours but got no overtime. The stores were all under different corporate names to avoid having to pay overtime. This was the only reason they put each store under different corporations.

    This is why we have some of the labor laws we do. And unscrupulous businessmen still find a way around them.

    It is to bad the government has to step in at all. Unfortunately people seem to be unwilling to treat others fairly.
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    Re: Whos business is it?

    It's not in my opinion. The minimum wage is in my opinion wrong.
    Ok, well thats boring. Now we can just sit here and agree.

    In the end to many businesses try to take advantage of the workers. Has to do with that whole "life and liberty" thing, for me anyway.

    When someone has to spend more than 1/4 of the day working, they should get a higher rate of pay for anything after 8 hours. This is not unreasonable in my opinion.
    Fair enough. Now lets go back to the personal sphere.

    Too many people try to take advantage of people sexually or emotionally. Sometimes men pretend to feel like they are in love when they are really only after sex. If the government's job is suddenly to keep people from taking advantage of each other, and if what consenting adults agree to do with each other is suddenly any of its business, then what do you think the government should do about consenting adults taking emotional advantage of other consenting adults?

    Perhaps there should be a law that say that if one person says "I love you" to another person, and then gets laid by that person, that the two should be legally required to stay together for at least six months after the initial profession of love.

    This might go a long ways towards helping ensure that people don't take emotional advantage of other people by throwing around the "L" word just to get in their pants.

    What do you think? Would this be a good law?
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    Re: Whos business is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Ok, so we currently have 14 no votes and 0 yes votes. The original poll question was:



    Considering that exchanging labor for capital is something that consenting adults do with each other all the time, does anyone want to amend their vote? Or do we all agree that laissez faire capitalism is the way to go?

    Hopefully we can find some yes votes, otherwise this was a waste of a thread.
    Well, at the time of the original question, no one had an F'in clue what you were really asking, and so voted on the obvious answer of "no" to the actual poll question.

    Said poll has no bearing whatsoever on the totally different question, "Should the government have any say in what an employer pays their employees."
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