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    Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    This is just a thread coming as a response to being in this thread.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/milita...ond-world.html

    The thread is turning into several debates about possibilities of war and future of the military of different states.

    So, I am just asking if you believe there is a possibility of global war(war between 2 or more of the 7 biggest powers).
    Included in that is not war between any of the big powers against either North Korea and Iran if anyone just might consider them among the 7(which they arent).

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Yes.






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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    The world has seen what happens during world wars and I doubt it would be stupid enough to engage in one during the nuclear age.
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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    The important large scale competition will be economic.

    The US spends far too much of its GDP on defense, to protect us from nobody in particular, and nobody with a real military threat to our homeland that we can't already deter (nuclear). The rest of the world is glad to let us squander our resources on defense, and spend theirs on their economy.

    The US will continue to do well economically in high tech and innovation, and if you have the correct brains and education and work ethic, you can make a lot of money.

    In low tech industry, the US will have to adapt to the entry of 2.5 billion workers in Indian and China, and we can't support the high wages the unions negotiated in manufacturing in the modified world, where 1/3 of the worlds population that was largely disconnected until 30 years ago, has re-connected. Some balancing must go on there, and it will take 20 uncomfortable years to re-balance. Workers in that segment of the economy will have to learn to live in smaller houses and to vacation close to home or not at all.

    We are too proficient at killing large numbers of people for war make sense. What can you realistically achieve, and what will it cost you? Local wars may make sense, if you go unopposed by the rest of the nations, like Russia and Georgia. But global war does not make sense.

    The US should cut our defense (miss named, its really global offensive capability) to just protecting our nation, and force the other nations to waste their economic resources to protect themselves. We should put the savings on reducing the deficit, or economic development that will give jobs to workers who are not in high tech (the vast majority of the population). If workers who are not prepared for jobs in high tech don't have other jobs, they will be a drag on our society, since we are not going to let them starve to death.

    I think the world has fundamentally changed in the last 30 years, and the old assumptions about how it operated are not all true anymore. Some are, and some are not. Figuring out the fundamental changes, and what old solutions still apply, and more importantly which old solutions no longer are adequate is what we should be doing.

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Not unless some crazy wackos like the Iranian government get nuclear weapons.

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    The US spends far too much of its GDP on defense
    5% is far too much?

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    5% is far too much?
    What the rest of the world is spending:

    Rank ↓ Country ↓ Spending ($ b.) ↓ World Share (%) ↓
    — World Total 1464.0 100
    1 United States United States 607.0 41.5
    2 People's Republic of China China 84.9a 5.8a
    3 France France 65.7 4.5
    4 United Kingdom United Kingdom 65.3 4.5
    5 Russia Russia 58.6a 4.0a
    6 Germany Germany 46.8 3.2
    7 Japan Japan 46.3 3.2
    8 Italy Italy 40.6 2.8
    9 Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia 38.2 2.6
    10 India India 30.0 2.1
    List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The number 2 spender, China, spends about 15% of what we spend. Why do we need to spend 8 times what they spend. Who is the threat to our national sovereignty? What is the nature of the threat? Are we properly spending to protect ourselves from the threat against us today? Will another futuristic fighter plane be effective on combating Islamic Fundamentalism? Why do we need to spend so much?

    It seems our problem as a nation is not that our military is too weak, but that our economy is not stable, and is doing a poor job of providing jobs for our population, good jobs that provide a good standard of living, and health care that is accessible at prices that are reasonable.
    Last edited by finebead; 01-23-10 at 02:34 PM.

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Not unless some crazy wackos like the Iranian government get nuclear weapons.
    But then the response will have to be to use nuclear weapons against them. Like France have stated for example, they will not hesitate to use them.
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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    The important large scale competition will be economic.

    The US spends far too much of its GDP on defense, to protect us from nobody in particular, and nobody with a real military threat to our homeland that we can't already deter (nuclear). The rest of the world is glad to let us squander our resources on defense, and spend theirs on their economy.
    If they could would anyone really shoot themself in the foot by attacking one of the biggest economies in the world anyways? This goes for all the big 7.
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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    What the rest of the world is spending:


    List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The number 2 spender, China, spends about 15% of what we spend. Why do we need to spend 8 times what they spend. Who is the threat to our national sovereignty? What is the nature of the threat? Are we properly spending to protect ourselves from the threat against us today? Will another futuristic fighter plane be effective on combating Islamic Fundamentalism? Why do we need to spend so much?

    It seems our problem as a nation is not that our military is too weak, but that our economy is not stable, and is doing a poor job of providing jobs for our population, good jobs that provide a good standard of living, and health care that is accessible at prices that are reasonable.
    None of this changes the fact that we only spend 5% of our GDP on defense. Who cares what percent of the total world's defense spending we are? Seeing as how our economy is vastly larger than anyone else's, that's a meaningless statistic in this context.

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