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Thread: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    And as ridiculous as the idea of a US-China war is, it is still only a two-party affair, not a world war.

    Duh.
    China/Russia are forming a geographically strategic alliance with counties throughout the World.....DUH.

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    China/Russia are forming a geographically strategic alliance with counties throughout the World.....DUH.
    China and Russia don't get along, and they never have. Even a casual observer of history knows this.

    Unless that is part of some sort of super-secret conspiracy only you know of ...

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    China and Russia don't get along, and they never have. Even a casual observer of history knows this.

    Unless that is part of some sort of super-secret conspiracy only you know of ...
    Russia gets along with them well enough to build new pipelines and sell them hydrocarbons

    how well do they have to get along?

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    China and Russia don't get along, and they never have. Even a casual observer of history knows this.

    Unless that is part of some sort of super-secret conspiracy only you know of ...
    Throughout the History of the Planet many alliances formed between unlikely groups to attain a common goal...DUH

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by elbatrop View Post
    Russia gets along with them well enough to build new pipelines and sell them hydrocarbons

    how well do they have to get along?
    By that logic it would make more sense for China to ally with the US against Russia, as we trade far more with China than Russia does.

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    Throughout the History of the Planet many alliances formed between unlikely groups to attain a common goal...DUH
    You have no proof, as usual. Feel free to pretend without me.

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    China and Russia don't get along, and they never have. Even a casual observer of history knows this.

    Unless that is part of some sort of super-secret conspiracy only you know of ...
    With your research capabilities perhaps it would appear to be some super-secret conspiracy.

    Anyways...

    Russia and China become part of strategic alliance – Indiadaily.com - Russia and China become part of strategic alliance – Putin now looks at BRICS alliance (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa)

    Since you are research challenged, perhaps I can find a link for you on a statement from a Russian General.

    The Russian General has stated that the U.S. government concocted 9/11 to gain support for an aggressive foreign policy and to change many political policies within the U.S. itself.

    This same Russian General also expressed his wanting of a Geographic Strategic Alliance for an all out war against the U.S. and to stop the U.S. from influencing all of mankind.
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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    By that logic it would make more sense for China to ally with the US against Russia, as we trade far more with China than Russia does.
    no it wouldn't

    China is playing it very smartly and so is Russia.

    China needs oil and Russia has it, the US is a net importer that also a debtor nation on a path to its own demise, allying with the US would be stupid. There literally from their point of view is no future in a long term alliance with the US.

    All three nations are enaged in and have been for quite sometime now at locking up and controlling as much of the world's remaining energy as they can. For China one of its best options is to look to Russia not the US. This is also why China is actively courting Venezuela among other places like Caspian basin countries.

    China is holding US debt, enough debt that they can extort the US with it, its relationship with US is temporary, it won't last much longer. They probably know by now they won't get paid back but for now it is useful to them.

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by elbatrop View Post
    no it wouldn't

    China is playing it very smartly and so is Russia.

    China needs oil and Russia has it, the US is a net importer that also a debtor nation on a path to its own demise, allying with the US would be stupid. There literally from their point of view is no future in a long term alliance with the US.
    Wait a second. So you're saying China views the US as a declining power...and therefore they're going to ally with RUSSIA?! Russia is the most obviously declining power in the world, much moreso than the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by elbatrop
    All three nations are enaged in and have been for quite sometime now at locking up and controlling as much of the world's remaining energy as they can. For China one of its best options is to look to Russia not the US. This is also why China is actively courting Venezuela among other places like Caspian basin countries.
    There is a much bigger risk of war between Russia and China, than between either of them and the US. You're right that China wants energy, but it has its eye on Siberia for precisely that reason. For now, China is content to trade with Russia (with terms favorable to China). But in a couple decades when China is much stronger and Russia is much weaker, China might decide that it wants Siberia for itself. The region is already becoming ethnically and linguistically Chinese.

    Quote Originally Posted by elbatrop
    China is holding US debt, enough debt that they can extort the US with it, its relationship with US is temporary, it won't last much longer. They probably know by now they won't get paid back but for now it is useful to them.
    The United States is one of the safest sovereign debts on the planet (the 7th safest as of Q4 2009). Much moreso than Russia, which defaulted on its debt just 12 years ago.
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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Wait a second. So you're saying China views the US as a declining power...and therefore they're going to ally with RUSSIA?! Russia is the most obviously declining power in the world, much moreso than the US.



    There is a much bigger risk of war between Russia and China, than between either of them and the US. You're right that China wants energy, but it has its eye on Siberia for precisely that reason. For now, China is content to trade with Russia (with terms favorable to China). But in a couple decades when China is much stronger and Russia is much weaker, China might decide that it wants Siberia for itself. The region is already becoming ethnically and linguistically Chinese.



    The United States is one of the safest sovereign debts on the planet (the 7th safest as of Q4 2009). Much moreso than Russia, which defaulted on its debt just 12 years ago.
    the US is a declining power, has been for quite awhile, but China isn't allyng with Russia for defensive reasons other than having reliable oil supply is defensive in its own right and Russia is the #1 or #2 world oil producer and has been for a couple years now. The US on the otherhand refuses to pay its debts, conducts its finances like a criminal, and is a net oil importer with waning supply sources. China isn't stupid they see this too.

    The United States unless it very very abruptly changes its ways or the rest of the world falls apart entirely will more than likley default, it is economically screwed. It is making the same mistakes most empires do including Russia, Great Britain, and even Rome. You might wanna take a look at what quantitative easing is and really means, round two will be coming shortly. Ponzi scheme economics doesn't last very long.
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