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Thread: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    5% is far too much?
    Yes..

    Especially when you cant afford it.
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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    None of this changes the fact that we only spend 5% of our GDP on defense. Who cares what percent of the total world's defense spending we are? Seeing as how our economy is vastly larger than anyone else's, that's a meaningless statistic in this context.
    Why do you think spending 5% of GDP, or roughly 600 billion a year, or 8 times more than the second highest spender, is required?

    Who is the boggy man who threatens us? What is the nature of the threat? What is required to defend ourselves from that threat?

    If we could defend ourselves from all known threats to our sovereignty, and do it at 2% of GDP, should we as a nation spend more than that?

    Have the CEO's of the defense contractors, the military industrial complex, built a political system to enrich themselves at the expense of the taxpayers, even when there is no creditable threat to our sovereignty as a nation? I think they have.

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    None of this changes the fact that we only spend 5% of our GDP on defense. Who cares what percent of the total world's defense spending we are? Seeing as how our economy is vastly larger than anyone else's, that's a meaningless statistic in this context.
    That's not a fiscally conservative attitude. It's actually the opposite. And it's one of the many reasons we find ourselves Trillions of dollars in debt right now.
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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    What the rest of the world is spending:


    List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The number 2 spender, China, spends about 15% of what we spend. Why do we need to spend 8 times what they spend. Who is the threat to our national sovereignty? What is the nature of the threat? Are we properly spending to protect ourselves from the threat against us today? Will another futuristic fighter plane be effective on combating Islamic Fundamentalism? Why do we need to spend so much?

    It seems our problem as a nation is not that our military is too weak, but that our economy is not stable, and is doing a poor job of providing jobs for our population, good jobs that provide a good standard of living, and health care that is accessible at prices that are reasonable.
    China is not involved in countless of conflicts at the same time.
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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    Who is the boggy man who threatens us? What is the nature of the threat? What is required to defend ourselves from that threat?
    We are the most powerful country in the world, how could we not have enemies?
    If we could defend ourselves from all known threats to our sovereignty, and do it at 2% of GDP, should we as a nation spend more than that?
    No major world power spends 2% of its GDP on defense. Not even China.

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    That's not a fiscally conservative attitude. It's actually the opposite. And it's one of the many reasons we find ourselves Trillions of dollars in debt right now.
    No, it's not. Defense spending is less than 20% of all government spending. In fact, it is barely more, as a percent of GDP, than other major countries.

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    But then the response will have to be to use nuclear weapons against them. Like France have stated for example, they will not hesitate to use them.
    I can think of no better scenario........

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    None of this changes the fact that we only spend 5% of our GDP on defense. Who cares what percent of the total world's defense spending we are? Seeing as how our economy is vastly larger than anyone else's, that's a meaningless statistic in this context.
    Spending five times what your likeliest opponent spends does not give five times the defence. Spending more than the rest of the top ten spenders together might seem excessive.
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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    We are the most powerful country in the world, how could we not have enemies?

    No major world power spends 2% of its GDP on defense. Not even China.

    No, it's not. Defense spending is less than 20% of all government spending. In fact, it is barely more, as a percent of GDP, than other major countries.
    Vague generalities. You don't answer my question.

    You don't figure out how much to spend by asking "what % of my GDP do I need to spend to defend myself?". You should as, who are my main enemies, what is the risk they will attack, if they attack how will they do it, what do I have to do to prudently protect myself from those attacks?

    Who will come at us with their navy to land troops on our shore? Who will send their bombers to bomb our cities? Does anyone have a big enough laser in space to disrupt our cities (I don't think so)? Can anyone hack our internet and halt significant commerce in the US with a relative small expenditure? Can we tell who did it? Can we retaliate so they won't want to do it?

    I don't think anyone can float their navy over here, or send their bombers over here, or attack us with lasers from space (technology is not there, cost is prohibitive, what would they gain and at what cost?).

    Terrorist attacks are here, and hacking attacks are here. What type of defense do we need?

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    Vague generalities. You don't answer my question.

    You don't figure out how much to spend by asking "what % of my GDP do I need to spend to defend myself?". You should as, who are my main enemies, what is the risk they will attack, if they attack how will they do it, what do I have to do to prudently protect myself from those attacks?

    Who will come at us with their navy to land troops on our shore? Who will send their bombers to bomb our cities? Does anyone have a big enough laser in space to disrupt our cities (I don't think so)? Can anyone hack our internet and halt significant commerce in the US with a relative small expenditure? Can we tell who did it? Can we retaliate so they won't want to do it?

    I don't think anyone can float their navy over here, or send their bombers over here, or attack us with lasers from space (technology is not there, cost is prohibitive, what would they gain and at what cost?).

    Terrorist attacks are here, and hacking attacks are here. What type of defense do we need?
    Hey, do you know why no organized military bothers to attack us? Maybe it's because we have such a gigantic military, and thus nobody would stand a chance.

    And why do we have such a gigantic military? I'd say a primary reason for it would be that we have such a gigantic economy. Our economy is about 2.5 times the size of China's, despite them having more than 4 times our population. The fact is that most noteworthy countries, China included, spend 4-6% of their GDP on defense. We do too, but we have so much more GDP than everyone else that 5% of it gives us a large enough military to overshadow the rest of the world and keep us safe from them.

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Spending five times what your likeliest opponent spends does not give five times the defence. Spending more than the rest of the top ten spenders together might seem excessive.
    Not when you consider that we have more money than the top ten spenders put together.

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