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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    It is highly unlikely that any major power would invest what it takes to combat the technical might of the US. It is a much more cost effective bet, it is also more likely, and with a better cost/benefit ratio that the US will merely overextend itself or steadily decline.

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post

    What? Are you for real? Do you think so?

    And... Dont you think there is a bigger chance of war over Taiwan than Siberia? (and why not, if no).
    No, because neither the US nor China has any interest in pressing their luck on the Taiwan issue...and the balance of military power between the two is unlikely to significantly change in the near future. China has no interest in invading Taiwan, the US has no interest in recognizing Taiwanese independence, and the US will continue to be much more militarily powerful than China for the foreseeable future. Additionally, when push comes to shove Taiwan is simply not worth defending for either side. China/US relations are more important for both.

    That is not true of Siberia. One side (China) has a clear interest in pressing their luck. The balance of military power will dramatically change in China's favor in the near future. Russia has a clear interest in hanging onto their territory, and China has a clear interest in taking it. This is why it's a much more likely flashpoint for a global conflict...if Russian leaders behave foolishly and/or Chinese leaders don't offer them a dignified way out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    Are we not? Oil is starting to run short. With increasing demand and less and less new fields, how will that trend end? How can we replace oil btw? Its not only used in gazoline.. What will we do then if we dont start preparing ahead of time, instead of too late?
    How can we replace oil? Many ways. Solar power, wind power, coal, natural gas, nuclear power, etc. And what do you mean "start preparing ahead of time"? The world is already doing that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    The global population isnt leveling of,
    I'm not going to argue this point with you. You are simply wrong, and a quick Google search will give you all the statistics you need to prove this. The global population is leveling off and will probably stabilize by mid-century at 9 to 12 billion people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    and oil isnt the only resource we are running out of. How about water or food?
    The number of people worldwide without access to clean drinking water is consistently declining, and food production has been growing faster than the population has been growing for decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    The predictions are that more and more people will have problems even getting enough water to survive and that the only "safe" regions are Europe, US/Canada, and Russia.
    Let me stop you right there. I don't know who "the predictions" came from, but any cursory look at the actual trends (as opposed to some ranting doomsayer who you found on some blog) reveals precisely the opposite. There may be more LOCALIZED water shortages, but overall the trend is for more people to have access to clean drinking water.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    How about agricultural land? How about forests and ecological diversity, which is at its lowest levels since the past ice age? How about food production, which isnt going up vis a vis the demand for food. How about health disasters waiting to hit the US/Europe? How about the globalization of germs, bacteria and virus in a faster paced world?
    A) You are simply wrong, once again, about food demand not outstripping population growth. I'm not going to debate points with you where you are just factually incorrect, as opposed to merely holding a retarded opinion. Get the statistics for yourself before you spout off misinformation.

    B) None of this other crap has anything to do with the possibility of a global war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    Add climate change, and add a theoretical scenario of sea levels raising only 1 meter the next 50 years. Many cities will be unihabitable
    Then people can fortify their city walls or move to more inhabitable places. Problem solved. It will certainly be much easier to adapt/react to climate change than to try to prevent it. And at any rate, it's not going to cause any global wars. I would think that you'd be able to avoid your usual incoherent ramblings to stay on topic, given that this is your own thread. But I guess not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    Its not up to me to get updated on other things than who sucks whos c*** in Washington. I have the range of knowledge I need,
    Thank you for proclaiming your own willful ignorance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    Year, except the US. But European society is getting more energy effective and a larger part of our energy comes from reneable sources, also we have the fastest growing sector in the world when it comes to clean and renewable energy. Also we have very low energy consumption per capita GDP. China is catching up quickly though and will pass us quickly.
    Have you ever been to a Chinese city? They're absolutely disgusting in terms of pollution. This will take decades to change.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    Eurpean companies are even planning on building a half trillion project in African saharan desert to help cover future energy needs. The US only spends such money trying to buy poor countries oil fields in competition with China.
    Yes, the only thing "the US" spends money on is oil fields. There is not a single alternative energy investment anywhere in this country.
    Do you actually believe the stupid **** you write, or are you like Scarecrow who just gets sexually aroused from trolling? I haven't decided.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    Do they, the US also? Really? Only California that is.
    I don't know what you're talking about, but California is an environmental laggard by US standards, and is easily the most polluted state in the country.

    Wow, you've managed to get quite off track. Normally I would've steered it back toward the topic, but since it's your own thread I'm certainly not going to bother refocusing the thread for you.
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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    It is highly unlikely that any major power would invest what it takes to combat the technical might of the US. It is a much more cost effective bet, it is also more likely, and with a better cost/benefit ratio that the US will merely overextend itself or steadily decline.
    Will steadily decline??? Is steadily declining..!!!
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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Will steadily decline??? Is steadily declining..!!!
    Bollocks!....

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That is not true of Siberia. One side (China) has a clear interest in pressing their luck. The balance of military power will dramatically change in China's favor in the near future. Russia has a clear interest in hanging onto their territory, and China has a clear interest in taking it. This is why it's a much more likely flashpoint for a global conflict...if Russian leaders behave foolishly and/or Chinese leaders don't offer them a dignified way out.
    Dont think there is a chance of this. But interesting point non the less.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    How can we replace oil? Many ways. Solar power, wind power, coal, natural gas, nuclear power, etc.
    Really? Do you know what oil is used for besides gazoline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And what do you mean "start preparing ahead of time"? The world is already doing that.
    Building a new society around different energy principles, with oil left for what we need oil for. Europe is most commited to this new direction of the big ones, while the US is least commited to these new principles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm not going to argue this point with you. You are simply wrong, and a quick Google search will give you all the statistics you need to prove this. The global population is leveling off and will probably stabilize by mid-century at 9 to 12 billion people.
    Did you even read yourself writing that? What is your definition of levelling of if you believe a population rise from 6.5 to up to the double in 40 years is "levelling of"???

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The number of people worldwide without access to clean drinking water is consistently declining, and food production has been growing faster than the population has been growing for decades.
    No the number of people without access to clean drinking water is increasing, and is predicted to reach disasterous global proportions by mid century.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Let me stop you right there. I don't know who "the predictions" came from, but any cursory look at the actual trends (as opposed to some ranting doomsayer who you found on some blog) reveals precisely the opposite.
    I have NEVER read a single blog..

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    There may be more LOCALIZED water shortages, but overall the trend is for more people to have access to clean drinking water.
    Which blogger told you that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    A) You are simply wrong, once again, about food demand not outstripping population growth. I'm not going to debate points with you where you are just factually incorrect, as opposed to merely holding a retarded opinion. Get the statistics for yourself before you spout off misinformation.
    Personal attack reported.

    How do you figure we get more land to cover the other 6 billion people who need food by 2075? We cant even feed the 6 billion we have now

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    B) None of this other crap has anything to do with the possibility of a global war.
    Of course it has, water and food are the next resources war will be made over. Especially likely is the water wars. China for exampe will have huge problems with water. Russia, US, Europe not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Then people can fortify their city walls or move to more inhabitable places. Problem solved.
    How do you figure we move half the human race? Living in a dreamworld again?
    The only attempts at this time to stop the water are actually quite pathetic, but at the forefront of human engineering, in Venice.

    The US should be familiar with the problem. How will you deal when dusins of large cities have the same problems as New Orleans constantly? The only country who have dealt with the water is the Netherlands, and they are slowly loosing the battle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It will certainly be much easier to adapt/react to climate change than to try to prevent it.
    Adapt/react is for idiots. We need to PREPARE. We need to prepare for a lot of things, and build a sustainable society that can work, and that works around good values, we simply really need to change for our children and our grandchildren to live in a world worth living in. But then again, some people dont care about others than themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And at any rate, it's not going to cause any global wars. I would think that you'd be able to avoid your usual incoherent ramblings to stay on topic, given that this is your own thread. But I guess not.
    Really? How about resource war? How about when a country like India have a desperate starving population and gigantic upheaval, riots and internal civil war. In a time where they have built a military power that is able to invade and take over other countries resources whom they really need, for example clean water or food to stop their own internal chaos.

    How about that scenario in any of the countries in the world?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Thank you for proclaiming your own willful ignorance.
    Personal attack number 2 noted. Its not very interesting to debate with people like yourself. Consider yourself on my ignore list from now on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Have you ever been to a Chinese city? They're absolutely disgusting in terms of pollution. This will take decades to change.
    Yes, it is. So are European and US cities. Not necessarily with heavy industry pollution, but with noise, disgusting stupid people, low quality infrastructure, bad building quality and so fourth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes, the only thing "the US" spends money on is oil fields. There is not a single alternative energy investment anywhere in this country.
    Do you actually believe the stupid **** you write, or are you like Scarecrow who just gets sexually aroused from trolling? I haven't decided.
    You think thats what I said? I never said that, thats your own lack of ability to understand other people, who said that. Another reason you are now on my ignore list.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I don't know what you're talking about, but California is an environmental laggard by US standards, and is easily the most polluted state in the country.
    What? Delusion..

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Wow, you've managed to get quite off track. Normally I would've steered it back toward the topic, but since it's your own thread I'm certainly not going to bother refocusing the thread for you.
    Yeah, since I am the one doing the personal attacks and have all the delusions mixed into the reality here, and not you
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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Bollocks!....
    I am going to quote wikipedia for once.

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    Seriously, you dont see the implosion, because you are focused on a different type of collapse.

    Its the same thing with the whole economy in the west, but most severely in the US and UK. You just cant see it, because you dont understand the way its happening, you didnt learn about future economics, only past. Same problem with all the old men who are now economists and sits on their high chairs only looking at ridiculous factors, while overlooking vitally important things. Because they were taught so.
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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The world has seen what happens during world wars and I doubt it would be stupid enough to engage in one during the nuclear age.
    There's some term that rationalizes why global wars won't ever be fought again, and it focuses on the fact that the economic losses would be so radical at the end.

    Cant for the life of me think of the name of it though.

    And also: [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction]Mutual assured destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I am going to quote wikipedia for once.



    Great use of Wikipedia. Bollocks! Balls! Die Hoden! All such comments express disbelief at what was said.

    Seriously, you dont see the implosion, because you are focused on a different type of collapse.
    Oh really? Do explain.

    Its the same thing with the whole economy in the west, but most severely in the US and UK. You just cant see it, because you dont understand the way its happening, you didnt learn about future economics, only past. Same problem with all the old men who are now economists and sits on their high chairs only looking at ridiculous factors, while overlooking vitally important things. Because they were taught so.
    LOL!

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Really? Do you know what oil is used for besides gazoline?
    Yep. Literally nothing that we won't be able to find a replacement for, when technology/economics necessitates it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    Did you even read yourself writing that? What is your definition of levelling of if you believe a population rise from 6.5 to up to the double in 40 years is "levelling of"???
    The global population increase peaked in the early 1970s and has been leveling off ever since. I'm not going to educate you on what "leveling off" means. If you actually care (which you probably don't), you can educate yourself here:
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflection_point]Inflection point - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    No the number of people without access to clean drinking water is increasing, and is predicted to reach disasterous global proportions by mid century.




    I have NEVER read a single blog..



    Which blogger told you that?
    The Economist.
    http://defeatpoverty.com/articles/Ec...an-26-2008.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    How do you figure we get more land to cover the other 6 billion people who need food by 2075? We cant even feed the 6 billion we have now
    A) There is plenty of available farmland where food could be grown for them (not to mention the huge amount of food that is wasted each year). Their governments and other social groups enact policies that make this impossible.

    B) Technology is constantly improving. Food production has been outpacing population growth for many decades, and there is no reason to expect that to change anytime soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    How do you figure we move half the human race? Living in a dreamworld again?
    The only attempts at this time to stop the water are actually quite pathetic, but at the forefront of human engineering, in Venice.

    The US should be familiar with the problem. How will you deal when dusins of large cities have the same problems as New Orleans constantly? The only country who have dealt with the water is the Netherlands, and they are slowly loosing the battle.
    We'll move cities inland a bit, or resort to geoengineering to cool the earth down. Either of which would be much cheaper than trying to prevent the earth from warming.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    Adapt/react is for idiots.
    Personal attack reported. (Not really, but Jesus Christ you're a hypocrite. )

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    Really? How about resource war? How about when a country like India have a desperate starving population and gigantic upheaval, riots and internal civil war. In a time where they have built a military power that is able to invade and take over other countries resources whom they really need, for example clean water or food to stop their own internal chaos.
    India is dramatically better off today than it was 10, 20, or 50 years ago. It is mostly self-sufficient today in terms of food production, due to the second Agricultural Revolution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    Yes, it is. So are European and US cities. Not necessarily with heavy industry pollution, but with noise, disgusting stupid people, low quality infrastructure, bad building quality and so fourth.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    What? Delusion..
    Unlike you, I have actually been to California and to most other US states. California is by far the most polluted state in the country. Perhaps you shouldn't talk out of your ass about things you know nothing about.
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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Well I think it is definitely possible. With all the nuclear war weapons being manufactured and many countries who are showing no fear when asked to stop production, there is no reason to believe they wouldn't have the courage to start a war as well.

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