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Thread: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So long as nations are stupid, the possibility of wide-spread warfare exists.
    Then we are doomed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    True, but individuals don't usually have unrestricted access to "big red buttons" that launch nukes, thankfully.
    Only the most sly and cunning liars have that, they are called "elected presidents".

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    China wouldn't have a reliable oil supplier without allying with Russia? Oil is a commodity traded on a global market; it really doesn't matter who is allied with who, as long as you have the cash to buy it.
    They could just invade Iraq. More easily so than the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    False. The United States has ALWAYS made good on its debts.
    CURRENT events, not past history, form future trends.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The finances of the United States are MUCH more transparent than those of either Russia or China.
    That doesnt mean anything. Probably only means you underestimate them.

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    China is also a net oil importer.
    China is about to become the world largest producer and spender of renewable energy, ahead of Europe, Germany in particular, and the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If a default is eminent as you say, then I suggest you take your life savings and bet against US sovereign debt. You'll make a fortune when you're right, since nearly every investor in the world will be betting against you.
    I am betting mine against over market valuated US companies. European companies with better sales and profit margins for example still have lower market capitalization. I will place my bets there and put some cash in Chinese banks, in their currency. No way I will buy anything in dollars.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Note: Randomly using the phrase "Ponzi scheme" doesn't make you sound like you know what you're talking about. It just makes you sound silly to those of us who actually know what the phrase means.
    So, what exactly is the largest US industry? And what exactly would the US be without financial manipulation? I know for a fact the US GDP would be reduced much more than in any other country in the world.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Yep, more circumstantial conspiracy bull****. I don't know why anyone even bothers with you ...
    Perhaps because its equally or more true than the conspiracy garbage you throw out?
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    The next war is a regional war between Russia and Poland. The US will support Poland. Russia will lose.

    After that, 30-40 years down the road, the US will fight Japan and Turkey.
    Last edited by reefedjib; 01-25-10 at 07:03 AM.

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The next war is a regional war between Russia and Poland. The US will support Poland. Russia will lose.

    After that, 30-40 years down the road, the US will fight Japan and Turkey.
    could you explain your reasoning?

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    could you explain your reasoning?
    I am taking it from the book [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Next-100-Years-Forecast-Century/dp/038551705X]Amazon.com: The Next 100 Years: A Forecast for the 21st Century (9780385517058): George Friedman: Books[/ame]. It is by George Friedman. George Friedman runs [ame="http://www.stratfor.com/"]STRATFOR[/ame].

    America is going no where and will be the superpower for the next century. We will develop our space-based command and control, with sensors, comms, space defense, etc. Evidently 2 constellations of satellites will for platforms upon which to guide long range bombers to their specific targets. Global overwatch.

    Russia is trying to preserve its regional influence before its demographics catch up to it and it can no longer sustain its economy. In the next 5-10 years it is going to try and take back the old communist states beyond Belarus and the Ukraine. Poland will oppose them with a coalition of states (Romania, Check, Slovokia, ...) and with our help will defeat Russia. Russia will lose its regional power forever. It will become a resource state only.

    Longer term, and thus more speculatively, the three growing countries of the coming decades are Poland, Japan and Turkey. Poland is our ally and runs the regional coalition there. Turkey will control the ME and have a fair bit of its Ottoman empire back. Japan will be a powerhouse import partner of China. Japan and Turkey will try to sneak attack our Space resources. It will be a quick war and we will retaliate against their resources (space, comms, industry) and knock em back a few decades.

    Read the book!
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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Note: Randomly using the phrase "Ponzi scheme" doesn't make you sound like you know what you're talking about. It just makes you sound silly to those of us who actually know what the phrase means.
    But he was referring to the US national budget.

    Which means he knew what he was saying.

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    But he was referring to the US national budget.

    Which means he knew what he was saying.
    isn't just the budget

    it is also pension plans, state and local govts as well, and our banking system too when you get right down to it

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Technology and customs may change, but people never do, so war (of any magnitude) is always a possibility.

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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    What? Now that is an absurd scenario. China trying to "take" a piece of land from a nuclear power. Hardly. First of all, Russia is a big nuclear power. Secondly. China is having a "peaceful rice" , thirdly they wouldnt be so stupid.
    You asked what scenarios might provoke a global nuclear war; that's the only one that's even remotely likely. There might be relatively small-scale nuclear wars...for example, India/Pakistan, Israel/Iran, or the US/North Korea. But while any of those would be devastating for one or both sides involved, none of them would really provoke a global conflict. The only possible global conflict that I can envision is if Russia and China decide to go to war with each other...and Siberia is the biggest point of tension between them.

    I agree that China probably won't try to "take" Siberia, so to speak. I think it's much more likely that Russia will decide there is no way they can defend it and they'll sell or trade it to China.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    I mean, not only resources,
    We aren't running out of resources, and you've offered absolutely nothing to support this ridiculous claim. Global population is leveling off, and economics and technology will enable us to quickly find replacements for any nonrenewable resource that might be on the verge of depletion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    but we are heading for a large range of global disasters,
    Such as? Evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    and the only ones tryging to change their way of living is for the most of it Europe.
    Ah yes, of course. Ra-ra-ra for the home team again. Your moronic jingoism aside, you forget that Europe consumes vastly more resources per capita than most countries in the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    China is growing up and probably will also take a lead in that area and create eventually a whole new type of sustainable society,
    China is now the world's largest polluter and is grossly inefficient per dollar of GDP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    while Europe will struggle but make it possible, and America refuse to change, and fail.
    Every country eventually becomes more sustainable. Europe and the United States are both considerably cleaner and more sustainable than they were 20 or 30 years ago, and that trend seems likely to continue into the foreseeable future. China still has a ways to go in terms of economic development, before their pollution peaks.
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    Re: Do you believe in the possibility of a new global war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You asked what scenarios might provoke a global nuclear war; that's the only one that's even remotely likely. There might be relatively small-scale nuclear wars...for example, India/Pakistan, Israel/Iran, or the US/North Korea. But while any of those would be devastating for one or both sides involved, none of them would really provoke a global conflict. The only possible global conflict that I can envision is if Russia and China decide to go to war with each other...and Siberia is the biggest point of tension between them.

    I agree that China probably won't try to "take" Siberia, so to speak. I think it's much more likely that Russia will decide there is no way they can defend it and they'll sell or trade it to China.

    What? Are you for real? Do you think so?

    And... Dont you think there is a bigger chance of war over Taiwan than Siberia? (and why not, if no).

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    We aren't running out of resources, and you've offered absolutely nothing to support this ridiculous claim. Global population is leveling off, and economics and technology will enable us to quickly find replacements for any nonrenewable resource that might be on the verge of depletion.
    Are we not? Oil is starting to run short. With increasing demand and less and less new fields, how will that trend end? How can we replace oil btw? Its not only used in gazoline.. What will we do then if we dont start preparing ahead of time, instead of too late?

    The global population isnt leveling of, and oil isnt the only resource we are running out of. How about water or food? The predictions are that more and more people will have problems even getting enough water to survive and that the only "safe" regions are Europe, US/Canada, and Russia. How about the hydrogen economy? What will happen when we start using water for commercial purposes other than drinking?

    How about agricultural land? How about forests and ecological diversity, which is at its lowest levels since the past ice age? How about food production, which isnt going up vis a vis the demand for food. How about health disasters waiting to hit the US/Europe? How about the globalization of germs, bacteria and virus in a faster paced world?

    How about these things, and how exactly are we really progressing that will save us from the situation? I dont see ipods and smaller computers saving us from it. There hasnt really been real innovation the past 15 years, just slight improvements. Seemingly progress is really slowing down instead of heating up. How in any scenario will modern technology save us from two handful of disasters waiting to his us when we cant even do something as simple as feed the whole planet. Heck we cant even distribute things half fairly. We are so dumb that one part of the world eats themselves to death while the other part starves to death. How the f*** do you think such a society can handle massive onsetting crisis? Add climate change, and add a theoretical scenario of sea levels raising only 1 meter the next 50 years. Many cities will be unihabitable and a lot of fresh water will be rendered impossible to drink.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Such as? Evidence?
    Its not up to me to get updated on other things than who sucks whos c*** in Washington. I have the range of knowledge I need, to understand that not everything is glory road and not being so naive as believing "future technology" will save us. Future technology is NOW, we need to create that, not wait for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Ah yes, of course. Ra-ra-ra for the home team again. Your moronic jingoism aside, you forget that Europe consumes vastly more resources per capita than most countries in the world.
    Year, except the US. But European society is getting more energy effective and a larger part of our energy comes from reneable sources, also we have the fastest growing sector in the world when it comes to clean and renewable energy. Also we have very low energy consumption per capita GDP. China is catching up quickly though and will pass us quickly.

    Eurpean companies are even planning on building a half trillion project in African saharan desert to help cover future energy needs. The US only spends such money trying to buy poor countries oil fields in competition with China. Difference is, China is playing both games.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    China is now the world's largest polluter and is grossly inefficient per dollar of GDP.
    China is about to overtake Europe as having the biggest clean renewable energy usage and industry. US is lagging behind, only comparable with Germany alone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Every country eventually becomes more sustainable. Europe and the United States are both considerably cleaner and more sustainable than they were 20 or 30 years ago, and that trend seems likely to continue into the foreseeable future. China still has a ways to go in terms of economic development, before their pollution peaks.
    Do they, the US also? Really? Only California that is.
    Last edited by Maximus Zeebra; 01-26-10 at 02:27 PM.
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