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Thread: Ideological Census

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    Re: Ideological Census

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    But how do you account for greed and the pursuit of power. These are realities.
    Greed and power structures are not inherently bad.

    I don't like them on the big scale like National governments, Multinational corporations, etc.

    The philosophy is decentralization.

    In my opinion, socialist style programs like public education, welfare, etc only operate well on a local level where the results can be scrutinized with more accuracy and needed changes can be made immediately.
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    Re: Ideological Census

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Greed and power structures are not inherently bad.

    I don't like them on the big scale like National governments, Multinational corporations, etc.

    The philosophy is decentralization.

    In my opinion, socialist style programs like public education, welfare, etc only operate well on a local level where the results can be scrutinized with more accuracy and needed changes can be made immediately.
    But they exist at those big scales.

    I agree with you that socialist style programs work best decentralized.

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    Re: Ideological Census

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    But they exist at those big scales.
    I understand, I just heavily dislike them.
    They grow until they are no longer supportable and then fall hard hurting everyone underneath.

    It's a personal preference.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I agree with you that socialist style programs work best decentralized.
    I'm pretty rabid about not supporting those types of things, however, if it were on a local(county or town) level, I would at least give the argument a chance.
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    Re: Ideological Census

    Economics:
    I was raised with libertarian influences and that is what most of my family is. However, after some study of my own experiences, history, economics, sociology, and pretty much anything I can get my hands on, I have come to the conclusion that the best policy for a prosperous nation is a more liberal one. The main reason is that I see no conclusive evidence that neither liberal nor conservative economics are inherently superior to each other and probably the best policies have a mix. However, the US system is inherently tilted towards the conservative side right now and I think we need to bring it back to balance. However, I call myself a liberal because in the US spectrum, being a centrist to the world means you are a liberal to the US.

    My preference is to let the market figure it out (great for shoe production) but there are some things that the market simply sucks at (health care) and use other means of solving an issue when the market does fail to provide for the welfare of the country.

    Social:
    I prefer to live and let live when possible. When it is not possible, than to try to eliminate harm and promote good. In the case of two equally bad choices (abortion would be one example), try to take it on a case by case basis.

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    Re: Ideological Census

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    My preference is to let the market figure it out (great for shoe production) but there are some things that the market simply sucks at (health care) and use other means of solving an issue when the market does fail to provide for the welfare of the country.
    Healthcare including the food industry and the advertisment industry in my opinion.

    Another one that sucks is the media industry, they need laws.
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    Re: Ideological Census

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Healthcare including the food industry and the advertisment industry in my opinion.

    Another one that sucks is the media industry, they need laws.
    Any market is going to have problems, but its probably best not to intervene unless there is some real harm going on.

    Most of what I see wrong with the food industry can be solved by removing subsidies on corn.

    I think the internet is becoming the great regulator against media companies, so I am wary of suggesting anything be done there. Especially since free speech issues are involved. However, I am in favor of restricting corporate political speech unless there are no foreign investors in a company and I think news companies should only have domestic investors as well, at least where politics are concerned.

    Advertising is a subject that is becoming increasingly frightening as psychological sciences improve, but I am not sure what should be the fix.

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    Re: Ideological Census

    How about..Fiscal Conservative but Social Liberal...

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    Re: Ideological Census

    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    How about..Fiscal Conservative but Social Liberal...
    I've met quite a few people who share that view.

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    Re: Ideological Census

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Any market is going to have problems, but its probably best not to intervene unless there is some real harm going on.
    Food is an epidemic problem of epic proportion in todays world. Its imminent that the food industry is put under control, that food advertisment and labels are stricktly controlled by law and limited in the case of advertisment. Furthermore there should be restrictions on certain foods, and they should be labelled the same way as cigarettes. Also there need to be a whole new level of dietary education from a young age and throughout life. This has to be accompanies with appropriate activity programs and incentives.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Most of what I see wrong with the food industry can be solved by removing subsidies on corn.
    Then you arent looking at it in the right way. Coca cola and soft drinks for example is a global sickness, only detrimental to human psysical and mental health.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think the internet is becoming the great regulator against media companies, so I am wary of suggesting anything be done there. Especially since free speech issues are involved. However, I am in favor of restricting corporate political speech unless there are no foreign investors in a company and I think news companies should only have domestic investors as well, at least where politics are concerned.
    Media need to have laws, just like the people, where they can freely operate within those laws. There are hundreds, possibly thousands of reasons why our society cannot progress to the next level before the media is under control.
    The internet is a valid point, but certainly nothing against the powerful media, who can also spread their garbage and polarized propaganda on the internet, actually the people are doing that quite well for them.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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