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    Corporate Personhood

    Well I think we should discuss this topic. I don't believe corporations should have the rights of a person. What's your take and why?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    I think one of the biggest mistakes we made as a society is to allow corporations to be a liability shield. The lack of accountability this causes allows a lot of atrocities to occur (PG&E, Dupont, Tobacco companies). For example if some corporation dumps toxic waste, then yes the owners of the corporation should be held responsible.

    If we get rid of the liability shield, I think we will see a lot more responsible activity and we would probably have less of a need for organizations like OSHA since the owners would be directly liable and would want to cover their butts.

    In terms of free speech and such. The owners already have free speech as citizens, why would they need free speech again as the guiding force in a corporation?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    I believe corporations should have SOME (but not all) of the same rights as people. Basically I'm in favor of where the law stood until yesterday, when the Supreme Court overturned 100 years of precedent to give corporations all the rights of human beings.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    If we limit corporations, or remove this "personhood" title from them then its only fair that all organizations would be censored and not be given any standing with regards to political contributions. Just because you have an INC., LLC., SC after your organizations name doesn't mean other organizations should have an advantage in influencing elections through donations.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    If we limit corporations, or remove this "personhood" title from them then its only fair that all organizations would be censored and not be given any standing with regards to political contributions. Just because you have an INC., LLC., SC after your organizations name doesn't mean other organizations should have an advantage in influencing elections through donations.
    Actually the Supreme Court struck down those other restrictions as well. As of yesterday, labor unions and non-profits are basically human beings too. As I said in the other thread, I'm not generally a big fan of overly-restrictive limits on campaign finance, but I'm nevertheless horrified at the Supreme Court's recklessness in overturning 100 years of precedent on corporate personhood.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    If we limit corporations, or remove this "personhood" title from them then its only fair that all organizations would be censored and not be given any standing with regards to political contributions. Just because you have an INC., LLC., SC after your organizations name doesn't mean other organizations should have an advantage in influencing elections through donations.
    To be honest, I don't think any organization should speak politically in aggregate, unless that is their only function and they should be a special category with special rules with nonprofit donations only coming from human beings.

    However, commercial speech should be much less regulated, along with other speech such a church talking about the virtues of Jesus Christ and things such as that.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Actually the Supreme Court struck down those other restrictions as well. As of yesterday, labor unions and non-profits are basically human beings too. As I said in the other thread, I'm not generally a big fan of overly-restrictive limits on campaign finance, but I'm nevertheless horrified at the Supreme Court's recklessness in overturning 100 years of precedent on corporate personhood.
    As others have said in other threads, it was happening anyway. Its naive to think that corps/unions/non-profits weren't doing this to begin with. As far as I can see, it will at least make these things visible for all to see.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    I am the head of a corporation (don't get too worked up, folks, it is VERY small), and I can state an emphatic NO to that. A corporation is not a person. A corporation is simply a legally defined business enterprise.

    I consider this decision as nothing less than corruption rearing its ugly head at the highest levels. The judges that voted to repeal 100 years worth of good policy did not vote for America - -they voted for their party and for their social class. I consider this to be no less than one more nail in the coffin for Democracy.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

    NOT

    "We the entities of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

    Corporations exist at the will of the government and can be terminated by the government at will.

    The PEOPLE employed by or financially entangled with a corporation have their own rights as PEOPLE and are not in need of additional rights through a corporation.

    As I understand it and as wiki notes, there is a question on the validity of the 1886 case brief.
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood_debate]Corporate personhood debate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
    Last edited by NoJingoLingo; 01-22-10 at 01:42 PM.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Well I think we should discuss this topic. I don't believe corporations should have the rights of a person. What's your take and why?
    The First Amendment says nothing about protecting only persons. It merely says NO law restricting freedom of speech shall be passed.

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