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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    it promotes candidates that oppose hillary Clinton. It would be the same if instead they made a movie supporting how great John McCain is.

    They all act the same as a campaign contribution, and therefore should be regulated.
    I don't think I've ever met a person so openly opposed to free speech.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Maybe newspapers shouldn't be corporations. There is really no societal good served by letting them be such. From the time of our founding up until just after the Civil War, if a corporation didn't serve a specific social purpose, they weren't chartered. Perhaps newspapers should have to be privately owned.
    That doesn't answer the question, though. They are a corporation.

    Does the First Amendment protect them or not?
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I don't think I've ever met a person so openly opposed to free speech.
    lolol im just direct.


    how is my view harmful to America anyway? that is what we need to ask ourselves. i think what i am saying is positive, even if violates some abstract principles :P

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    how is my view harmful to America anyway? that is what we need to ask ourselves. i think what i am saying is positive, even if violates some abstract principles :P
    do you really need someone to explain to you the damage done by restrictions on speech?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It's none of your business if they agree, or how much they agree. Freedom of speech is not conditioned on how much people agree on something. If I don't agree with a group that speaks on my behalf, I can quit.
    Freedom of speech is an individual right, so if two people write a letter expressing the same beliefs then they are each expressing their individual rights to free speech.

    Your not going to find that with a group of thousands or millions.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No it's not. Rights are not conditioned on whether you are hurt either.
    A group like AARP, as an example, can lobby government to increase benefits for its members at the expense of me.
    It is my business, if they lobby for something that violates the core principal of what a republic is.

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    Re: Should Corporations Have Personhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Under US law, a corporation has many of the sames rights and responsibilities as a person. This has been upheld by the Supreme Court going back to the Railroad Era. Now personally, I've never quite understood why a corporation, as an entity, should have personhood. Anyone want to explain the logic here?
    They don't retain the full rights of a person.

    It was largely created to shield business owners who make decisions that violate the law.
    They don't go to jail like an individual would because the corporation can be held liable.
    There are of course exceptions.

    The free speech for groups nonsense is a side effect.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Why will no one answer the question?

    The New York Times is a corporation.

    If you say the First Amendment applies only to people, does the New York Times enjoy freedom of the press?

    Yes or no?
    The people who write for and own the New York Times enjoy freedom of the press.

    Rights are for individuals, not groups.
    Groups are not people, they do not have a collective brain, mouth, sexual organ etc.

    Groups do not have rights.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The people who write for and own the New York Times enjoy freedom of the press.
    And the actors, voiceovers, and PR people who develop ads for corporations enjoy free speech. They're simply being paid by corporations to do what the corporation wants, much like reporters are paid by the NY Times to do what the Times wants.

    There is no way to distinguish the two.

    Rights are for individuals, not groups.
    Groups are not people, they do not have a collective brain, mouth, sexual organ etc.

    Groups do not have rights.
    So you would agree that the government could ban the Catholic church, right? I mean, individual Catholics enjoy freedom of religion, but groups don't have rights.

    Similarly, corporations, nonprofits, and unions could be banned from contacting Congress or speaking out on issues altogether. The individuals at those organizations might have the right to petition their governments and the right to free speech, but groups don't have rights.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And the actors, voiceovers, and PR people who develop ads for corporations enjoy free speech. They're simply being paid by corporations to do what the corporation wants, much like reporters are paid by the NY Times to do what the Times wants.

    There is no way to distinguish the two.
    That doesn't fly, the actors etc, are exercising their rights to free speech.
    They just happened to be paid for it.

    Being paid makes no difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So you would agree that the government could ban the Catholic church, right? I mean, individual Catholics enjoy freedom of religion, but groups don't have rights.

    Similarly, corporations, nonprofits, and unions could be banned from contacting Congress or speaking out on issues altogether. The individuals at those organizations might have the right to petition their governments and the right to free speech, but groups don't have rights.
    The parishioners own the church collectively but if the church was banned, it could infringe on their individual right to practice freely.

    Individuals have a right to petition government.
    Groups do not have rights, they are not a person.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The people who write for and own the New York Times enjoy freedom of the press.

    Rights are for individuals, not groups.
    Groups are not people, they do not have a collective brain, mouth, sexual organ etc.

    Groups do not have rights.
    What about unsigned editorials coming from the organization itself?

    Besides, and advertising by corporation is the same thing. A person wrote it.
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