Yes, corporations are just like a person
No, corporations are not just like a person
Agreed.Look at some of the very telling evidence from the auto industry. Or the teachers unions. heck...even the culinary unions. I truly dont think they CARE. They are so used to being able to dictate wages and benefits via work stoppages that they dont think what is best long term.
My experience as well, unions are out for themselves just as much as any other group...Ive seen the federal employee unions in action. They defend incompetence. Ive never seent he unions go after their own people or take a management side, regardless of how blatant the employee offense or violation. maybe others have examples of how unions have done the right thing by all parties...I dont.
Again... agreed.We exist as a service based economy. Thats NOT a way to build an economy...selling other peoples goods. We NEED an effective and vibrant industrial base.
Since the people actually generating the ideas to be expressed are...umm...people, and since those people have the freedom to assemble, then they have the freedom to hire a spokeshole through their corporation that can do their expressing for them.
It's not complicated, if you value human freedom and civil rights.
Corporations were recognized as persons for purposes of the 14th Amendment in an 1886 Supreme Court Case,Since the people actually generating the ideas to be expressed are...umm...people, and since those people have the freedom to assemble, then they have the freedom to hire a spokeshole through their corporation that can do their expressing for them.
U.S. Supreme Court - SANTA CLARA COUNTY v. SOUTHERN PAC. R. CO., 118 U.S. 394 (1886)
And how does coming together as a group have anything whatsoever to do with your ability to speak out?
But I disagree with your "none" bit.
Any investor, if he/she sees a company they have invested in do something they dislike, can sell their stock in that company....As you said, "moving their investments".
It's not actually speech in the sense of vocal cords making sounds that form words and sentences...but it is a form of expressing your opinions/ideas/whatever to others. "Speech", for lack of a better word.
Hell, if an investor so wished, he/she could start recruiting others and cause a mass sale at a single point in time, perhaps causing the company in question a small problem.
Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller
The odd thing, the disconnect I don't understand is, the masses realize we made a mistake allowing all those jobs to go over seas but we don't blame the corporations for it. Instead, the corporations have successfully fooled them into thinking it was all the governments fault... They don't realize that they are one in the same.
What you mean is, 'why won't unions just go away so we can pay our citizens third world wages too', forgetting however that the less people make the less they can buy.But I'll even give you the 50/50 responsibility...given that...do you think the unions are going to step in...negotiate lowered benefits and workable salaries to encourage the companies to bring jobs back?