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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    And it does a great job of that. But the First Amendment does more than that. It protects free speech. All free speech.
    And who has the ability to speak? I'll just go to the local Wal-Mart and ask it... which wall should I speak at? Or maybe it's the doors that can speak, how about the carts?

    Corporations are subject to the laws too. Just because you can't treat them the same as persons sometimes doesn't mean they aren't. Of course, you can send corporate execs to jail when appropriate.
    You can treat them as persons even though they aren't... isn't that what we are discussing?

    Yes, if the exec is complicit in some wrong doing but if the corporation facilitated whatever legal infraction shouldn't it at least be held as an accomplice?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
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    Yes, I did.

    Is the press a person? Is a newspaper or TV station a person?
    And that's the point, it was specifically mentioned where other "things" are not. This should tell you that other things are excluded.

    Yes. Congress is also forbidden from passing laws restricting the free speech rights of trucks. If you ever need to protect that right, call the ACLU.
    I don't see "trucks" mentioned under the 1st amendment.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    If they have no legal rights, they have no legal obligations so they can do whatever they want.

    NOBODY would ever argue that corporations have no legal rights at all. That's ridiculous. They exist in order to have legal rights.

    The law doesn't just go one way. It obligates, and also protects.
    A corporation has the rights and privileges outlined and granted to them by each state that they petition to exist or function in. Again, personhood must be granted to anything not defined as a person. The supreme court granted them free speech. That kinda proves the point because I never had to have my right to free speech decided by the SCotUS.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    Even though I believe that corporations shouldn't have the same rights as people, i want to play the other side a little bit because there doesn't seem to be much back and forth on this issue now.


    I have wondered that if we do get rid of the personhood of corporations then that will vastly harm the confidence that stockholders have to invest in corporations.

    My point is that especially with this economy, I wish there was some way to value the drop in the stock market and the effects of even less investments in corporations. Those secondly effects of less protections for corporations would be even worse now with the poor economy as it is.
    the only argument you are making is that corporations have the public held hostage. "do what we want or we'll make the stock market fall".

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    No however, our ForeFathers NEVER could have dreamt a day of TV NEWS, Internet NEWs and such. The press in their days often relied on the PEOPLE to send letters to the PRESS to publish in their paper. Thus freedom of the PRESS meant the Freedom for ME to question the GOVT, write a letter to my local newspaper and having it PRINTED for all to see.
    You're absolutely right. What the 1st amendment really does for the Press is to prevent government from censoring the voice OF THE PEOPLE. The Press today is not much of a voice for the people and more of a way to get out their POV.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes. If the voters choose that candidate, it's their choice.

    Imagine you are considering who to vote for, and a TV ad appears, and I quickly turn of the TV and say "sorry, you can't see that, it's from a corporation so it will corrupt your thinking, and you can't be trusted to handle it." What would you say?
    T.V. ads for cigarettes are illegal. I don't have a problem banning T.V. ads for things that corrupt the democratic process.. I would say that this ruling is like promoting vascular growth to a cancer simply because it looks similar to a regular cell. I admit, the country already has the cancer. We should starve it, not encourage it.

    Yeh, I totally disagree with you on this. Ads work. Most people are poorly informed and easily manipulated. The longer they are exposed to the steady drum beat of ads, the more they are likely to vote based on superficial or misleading information OR become so disgusted they do not vote at all. The sheer quantity of cash required to be a viable candidate excludes independent candidates. The end result will be that Dems and Repubs just resemble ea other more than ever in practice if not in rhetoric.

    Maine's campaign finance law has been a huge success as far as I can see. Even I could afford to run for office. Reps are much more accessible to their constituents than any other state I have lived in.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    T.V. ads for cigarettes are illegal.
    So is airing obscene language and nudity on network television.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    And who has the ability to speak? I'll just go to the local Wal-Mart and ask it... which wall should I speak at? Or maybe it's the doors that can speak, how about the carts?
    Okay, so if it's impossible for an entity to have a voice, why are you even concerned about this issue? The Supreme Court, according to you, just gave companies the right to do something that it is physically impossible for them to do anyways.

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    Should Corporations Have Personhood?

    Under US law, a corporation has many of the sames rights and responsibilities as a person. This has been upheld by the Supreme Court going back to the Railroad Era. Now personally, I've never quite understood why a corporation, as an entity, should have personhood. Anyone want to explain the logic here?
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    Re: Should Corporations Have Personhood?

    Corporations don't have the same rights as people. Otherwise, it would be legal to hire and fire people based on race and sex, since individual people have every right to decide who enters their property based on race and sex.

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