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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    What is the difference between corporations being allowed to fund campaigns, create commercials, etc, and allowing unions, web groups, and damn near the entire media network in the US to do the same thing?
    Unions=good. Corporations=bad.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Obvious usually beats subtle.
    That depends on the objective...

    But I'm not stating that non-people are entitled to free speech. That's why I have to keep saying that the 1st limits the government's power to restrict free speech. And now I have to say it again. The 1st limits the government's power to restrict free speech. That means it doesn't matter where the speech comes from - you can't restrict it. If toasters ever learn to talk, they'll have it too.

    The government cannot make a law that says "this speech is outlawed because it comes from ___" or "because it is paid for by _____" or whatever. It just can't do it. What more need be said?
    We ALL AGREE that the 1st limits the government's power to restrict free speech... if that is your entire point, why are you getting mired down in toaster and corporation arguments, for it certainly sounds as if you are advocating that corporations be entitled the ability to speak or have the rights granted persons, and that is the crux of the ENTIRE DEBATE. If you are simply saying that the 1st limits the government's power to restrict free speech, then that is fine, you made your point and perhaps you should move on, it is obvious, it is simple, it is been done for a while now.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That depends on the objective...



    We ALL AGREE that the 1st limits the government's power to restrict free speech... if that is your entire point, why are you getting mired down in toaster and corporation arguments, for it certainly sounds as if you are advocating that corporations be entitled the ability to speak or have the rights granted persons, and that is the crux of the ENTIRE DEBATE. If you are simply saying that the 1st limits the government's power to restrict free speech, then that is fine, you made your point and perhaps you should move on, it is obvious, it is simple, it is been done for a while now.
    The fact that the 1st limits the government's power to restrict speech makes the rights, or abilities, of corporations or toasters or people or whatever to speak irrelevant. That is my point.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Unions=good. Corporations=bad.
    The sad thing is...some people actually BELIEVE that.

    Unions create jobs...right? no...corporations create jobs...unions suck the life out of the job market and cause them to be shipped overseas.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The fact that the 1st limits the government's power to restrict speech makes the rights, or abilities, of corporations or toasters or people or whatever to speak irrelevant. That is my point.
    Ok. I am sure that I can speak for Jingo when I say that, "We get it". Thanks.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The sad thing is...some people actually BELIEVE that.

    Unions create jobs...right? no...corporations create jobs...unions suck the life out of the job market and cause them to be shipped overseas.
    No, an inbalance between the two is what ships jobs overseas, and the corporations are a little more to blame when all is said and down, since all they care about is profit at the expense of people.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No, an inbalance between the two is what ships jobs overseas, and the corporations are a little more to blame when all is said and down, since all they care about is profit at the expense of people.
    Huh? We work to live, we don't live to work. All of this focus on jobs and people don't even realize the value of a job.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Ok. I am sure that I can speak for Jingo when I say that, "We get it". Thanks.
    And thanks to you, and him, we get your point too.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The sad thing is...some people actually BELIEVE that.

    Unions create jobs...right? no...corporations create jobs...unions suck the life out of the job market and cause them to be shipped overseas.
    Yeah, that's it. It's all so simple.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I'm not thinking it, I was simply afraid that you are...

    I think that we all know that the 1st limits the governments power to restrict free speech. This is obvious. We have all agreed to this over and over and over... please stop stating the obvious. What I, and Jingo are stating... is more subtle.

    The fact that you continue stating that non-people (corporations) are entitled to free speech the more I think that you might actually think that toasters and trucks have rights, that is all.
    He is thinking that and responded as such. He believes that the Constitution was not merely written for the people of the USA but rather that it was written to encompass all things not specifically excluded. Therefore you get the 'when your truck speaks let me know' answer when you press about non-people having protections guaranteed by the BoR.

    If you take the Constitution and the DoI together as one idea leading to the other; first declare your independence and once you have independence you then set forth the rules that govern your new found independence, the intent is clear.

    So take the text of the DoI and the Preamble to the Constitution and apply the intent. It is quite obvious that the "Framers" had no intention to include entities other than "People" and the 1st amendment acknowledges this by simply listing the 2 other things that are not people, and their protection. Religion and the free exercise thereof and freedom of the press. There is no, 'and any thing we didn't cover'.

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