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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That's right, but the company or corporation has no rights to begin with, it is the people within that corporation that have the rights...
    Yeah, now you're just talking semantics.

    Let's dump that and discuss what the Constitution really says. The First Amendment does not discuss "rights". The word isn't there.

    What the First Amendment says is that Congress doesn't have the authority to restrict speech.

    Period.

    That's it.

    A corporation doesn't have to have "rights", that's irrelevant.

    The Congress does not have the authority to shut the corporation up.

    You can find no words in the Constitution giving the Congress this authority, ergo, it simply does not exist.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    If it says, states or alludes NOTHING about corporations or companys, how exactly do you arrive that it is "very clear" that it does then?
    right.

    It says nothing about giving the Congress the power to restrict corporate speech.

    Very good.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Where in this decision does the Court say that?

    Where in the Constitution does it say only people have the right of free speech?
    The Constitution is based on the rights of the people of the United States of America....and YES...the Supreme Court did make a finding that a "corporation" is a person. Talk about Judicial Activism.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The Constitution is based on the rights of the people of the United States of America
    Says who? Where does it say that in here: Congress shall make no law...abridging freedom of speech?

    ....and YES...the Supreme Court did make a finding that a "corporation" is a person.
    Not in this decision.

    Talk about Judicial Activism.
    This was a pretty judicially conservative decision.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, it means it was written by the people. It says nothing about for the people.

    The Constitution is about alot of things. Protecting the rights of the people is one of them, but not the only thing.
    The Bill of Rights was written to protect basic principles of human liberty. If it was not written for the people, then who was it written for... you need to reread your Federalist Papers.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yeah, now you're just talking semantics.
    But it is an argument of semantics... it is an argument to clear up said semantics so that it is clear. You said it was clear, it obviously is not.

    Let's dump that and discuss what the Constitution really says. The First Amendment does not discuss "rights". The word isn't there.
    The entire BoR is about what the government cannot do to infringe on the people's rights...

    What the First Amendment says is that Congress doesn't have the authority to restrict speech.

    Period.

    That's it.

    A corporation doesn't have to have "rights", that's irrelevant.
    It's only irrelevant until people try to give the rights of a person to a non-person, then it is absolutely relevant.

    The Congress does not have the authority to shut the corporation up.
    A corporation does not have the ability to speak, the people within it do, that is the semantics that you don't want to address since it sinks your argument.

    You can find no words in the Constitution giving the Congress this authority, ergo, it simply does not exist.
    So you think that we can do whatever we want as long as it is not forbidden or covered in the Constitution?
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    right.

    It says nothing about giving the Congress the power to restrict corporate speech.

    Very good.
    So this post:

    Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Last time I checked, corporations are not owned by dolphins, since they can't sign contracts.

    So clearly it's for people.

    It's very clear, to any honest person reading it.
    States that the First represents the people then, correct?
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    This was a pretty judicially conservative decision.
    Yes...a pretty judicially conservative activist decision.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The Constitution is based on the rights of the people of the United States of America....and YES...the Supreme Court did make a finding that a "corporation" is a person. Talk about Judicial Activism.
    The Constitution says very little about "rights".

    The Constitution says boat loads about what powers the government is allowed to have.

    AND, just in case you missed it, the Tenth Amendment says that if a power isn't specifically given to the federal government, then the federal government does not have that power. Since the Constitution does not specifically grant the Congress the power to regulate speech, of any kind, (and that's skipping over the fact that the Constitution says specifically that Congress cannot regulate speech), then Congress does not have the power to regulate speech.

    So....the First Amendment says the Congress doesn't have the power to regulate speech.

    Period.

    The Tenth Amendment says that since Congress isn't given the power to regulate speech, it can't regulate speech.

    TWO Amendments explaining that Congress does not have the power to do something, ie, stifle speech.

    So what's your problem with living in a free society again?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    States that the First represents the people then, correct?
    Nope, states the absurdity of people claiming the Constitution gives Congress the power to curtail speech.

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