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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Or maybe you're still agreeing with me.
    Agreed.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Agreed.

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    Cool. Let's get together and form a corporation.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    That's simply absurd.

    If this were true, the government would be able to ban all churches and other religious groups and organizations in the country. Just ban them. Shut down all the churches and make everyone stay home or meet in someone's basement on Sunday morning. Do you really think the Constitution allows that?
    I can see why NoJingo gave up...

    Individuals make the group... without hte individuals, there would be no group. The reason that the government can not ban a church, is that a church, the grouping of people within a building, represents an extension of the INDIVIDUAL. The individual has the right, not the church, since the church is nothing other than a term that represents the individual grouping of like minds.

    ...and you even state it right there, make them meet in someone's basement. That would then become a church. What do you think that a church actually is?

    church  /tʃɜrtʃ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [church] Show IPA
    –noun 1. a building for public Christian worship.
    2. public worship of God or a religious service in such a building: to attend church regularly.


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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Its quite ironic that the justices that try to claim they are "Strict Constructionists" twist and manipulate the Constitution to find that a Corporation is a person.

    Where in the Constitution does it say that Corporations are persons and entitled to the same rights as people?
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The individual has the right, not the church, since the church is nothing other than a term that represents the individual grouping of like minds.
    So I ask again - does this mean the government could shut down a church?

    ...and you even state it right there, make them meet in someone's basement. That would then become a church. What do you think that a church actually is?
    An organization. Like the Roman Catholic Church, which has leaders, assets, a governing structure (much like a corporation.) You know, like in "seperation of church and state." Not a physical location, an organization. Could the government ban the Roman Catholic Church from the US? As long as Catholics can gather in a basement?

    church  /tʃɜrtʃ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [church] Show IPA
    –noun 1. a building for public Christian worship.
    2. public worship of God or a religious service in such a building: to attend church regularly.


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    Do I really have to explain that "church" can also mean "religious organization?" Here, the rest of the definitions from your link:

    3. (sometimes initial capital letter) the whole body of Christian believers; Christendom.
    4. (sometimes initial capital letter) any division of this body professing the same creed and acknowledging the same ecclesiastical authority; a Christian denomination: the Methodist Church.
    5. that part of the whole Christian body, or of a particular denomination, belonging to the same city, country, nation, etc.
    6. a body of Christians worshipping in a particular building or constituting one congregation: She is a member of this church.
    7. ecclesiastical organization, power, and affairs, as distinguished from the state: separation of church and state; The missionary went wherever the church sent him.
    8. the clergy and religious officials of a Christian denomination.
    9. the Christian faith: a return of intellectuals to the church.
    10. (initial capital letter) the Christian Church before the Reformation.
    11. (initial capital letter) the Roman Catholic Church.
    12. the clerical profession or calling: After much study and contemplation, he was prepared to enter the church.
    13. a place of public worship of a non-Christian religion.
    14. any non-Christian religious society, organization, or congregation: the Jewish church.

    And what about newspapers?
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Its quite ironic that the justices that try to claim they are "Strict Constructionists" twist and manipulate the Constitution to find that a Corporation is a person.

    Where in the Constitution does it say that Corporations are persons and entitled to the same rights as people?
    Where in this decision does the Court say that?

    Where in the Constitution does it say only people have the right of free speech?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Where in this decision does the Court say that?

    Where in the Constitution does it say only people have the right of free speech?
    Personally, I'm looking forward to the day when my toaster gets free speech rights.

    And I can't wait for the rights of corporations to get married!

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Personally, I'm looking forward to the day when my toaster gets free speech rights.

    And I can't wait for the rights of corporations to get married!
    Then stop being an oppressor.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Personally, I'm looking forward to the day when my toaster gets free speech rights.
    If your toaster learns to speak, it will have freedom of speech, yes.

    And I can't wait for the rights of corporations to get married!
    I'm looking forward to the day when you read through this thread, and the abundant caselaw that clearly addresses your goofy points.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So I ask again - does this mean the government could shut down a church?
    If they are breaking a law... sure.

    An organization. Like the Roman Catholic Church, which has leaders, assets, a governing structure (much like a corporation.) You know, like in "seperation of church and state." Not a physical location, an organization. Could the government ban the Roman Catholic Church from the US? As long as Catholics can gather in a basement?
    You are confusing the terms, "The Church" with church for basic individual religious purposes. The Church is a separate entity that has nothing to do with the Constitution.

    Do I really have to explain that "church" can also mean "religious organization?" Here, the rest of the definitions from your link:

    3. (sometimes initial capital letter) the whole body of Christian believers; Christendom.
    4. (sometimes initial capital letter) any division of this body professing the same creed and acknowledging the same ecclesiastical authority; a Christian denomination: the Methodist Church.
    5. that part of the whole Christian body, or of a particular denomination, belonging to the same city, country, nation, etc.
    6. a body of Christians worshipping in a particular building or constituting one congregation: She is a member of this church.
    7. ecclesiastical organization, power, and affairs, as distinguished from the state: separation of church and state; The missionary went wherever the church sent him.
    8. the clergy and religious officials of a Christian denomination.
    9. the Christian faith: a return of intellectuals to the church.
    10. (initial capital letter) the Christian Church before the Reformation.
    11. (initial capital letter) the Roman Catholic Church.
    12. the clerical profession or calling: After much study and contemplation, he was prepared to enter the church.
    13. a place of public worship of a non-Christian religion.
    14. any non-Christian religious society, organization, or congregation: the Jewish church.

    And what about newspapers?
    I did not include that part, which is obvious since I am the one that looked up the definition in the first place, since it is not relevant.
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