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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    If you think so. Not a single judge does.
    Says you!

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    No I"m not. I couldn't be more on topic. I'm talking about the First Amendment.
    Actually, you're evading. We are NOT discussing freedom of religion. We are discussing corporate personhood.... my neo-liberal friend.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Your views don't even reflect a strictly literal interpretation of the words as written.
    Wrong again! Our forefathers intended to protect the famers, citizens, and various other INDIVIDUALS that came to this land to avoid government persecution.

    I am strictly interpreting the document as it was written by our forefathers.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Says you!
    Says 100+ years of detailed caselaw.

    Actually, you're evading. We are NOT discussing freedom of religion. We are discussing corporate personhood.... my neo-liberal friend.
    No, YOU brought up Constitional rights. Freedom of religion is one of those. YOU are evading.

    Wrong again! Our forefathers intended to protect the famers, citizens, and various other INDIVIDUALS that came to this land to avoid government persecution.
    And your views clearly aren't reflected in reality.

    I am strictly interpreting the document as it was written by our forefathers.
    So churches don't have freedom of religion, only people? And newspapers don't have freedom of speech, only people? And the government could confiscate corporate property without compensation?

    You dodged these questions once, you'll do it again.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Okay, try this on for size - you can have all the free speech you want, but you can't spend any of your money on it either. No soapbox, no megaphone, no ads, nothing. Just your voice.
    Well, that would work as well except that in their supreme wisdom, the SCOTUS has decided that money = speech.

    But if it were possible for people to get unbiased news and then gather to discuss politics or print a pamphlet themselves and distribute it (freedom of press) and then go out and vote. That would be great... didn't we have such a system, once?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    I think a considerable portion of the concern over this ruling is the notion that people with a lot of money can buy elections--they can produce messages that leave false impressions but that saturate the political sphere. Anyone believe that?

    The unbridled ability to communicate in proportion to one's wealth is bad for politics, assuming we believe that elections can be purchased by those who can dominate political communication.
    I don't have a problem with a citizen wanting to spend their own money to buy ad space or a TV commercial, et al.. I disagree that Joe the CEO can take corporate funds and spend it to blackmail a candidate.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So churches don't have freedom of religion, only people? And newspapers don't have freedom of speech, only people? And the government could confiscate corporate property without compensation?

    You dodged these questions once, you'll do it again.
    They are dealt with specifically in the first amendment. Where are corporations dealt with in the Constitution?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Well, that would work as well except that in their supreme wisdom, the SCOTUS has decided that money = speech.
    Did it?

    But if it were possible for people to get unbiased news and then gather to discuss politics or print a pamphlet themselves and distribute it (freedom of press) and then go out and vote. That would be great... didn't we have such a system, once?
    So you want to the government to decide what's biased and what's not and let it suppress messages that it thinks the voters shouldn't hear.

    Again, please read your own words. They should scare you.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    They are dealt with specifically in the first amendment.
    Yes. And they are groups, not people. So that means groups are protected by the Constitution too. So saying that corporations have no rights because they aren't people doesn't wash.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes. And they are groups, not people. So that means groups are protected by the Constitution too. So saying that corporations have no rights because they aren't people doesn't wash.
    Corporations aren't just groups--they are limited liability groups. Their ability to profit, to do harm, and to seek after their own best interest is unlimited, but their liability for bad actions is limited. When we offer them equal rights, we cannot also require of them equal responsibilities. That's a problem.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Only if you believe in corporate personhood. Otherwise, the economy should serve the people. Businesses are the engine of the economy but the people should be the owners of the ecomony just like a business owner is the owner of said business and the employees are the engine of that business. In our corporatocracy the people are simply consumers.
    So, in your universe stockholders are what, robots, or dogs?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    We have lost control of our ecomony
    In a free market, no one has "control" over the economy.

    We should get back to being free.

    Government control of the economy has been proven, 100% of every case in history, to suck. Right now the Messiah has control of the economy, and his ignorant ass doesn't blink at the notion of 1500 billion dollar deficits.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    and now everything we do is for the benefit of corporations with the failed Reaganomics
    Bla bla bla.

    Too bad for you, "Reaganomics" didn't fail.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    Corporations aren't just groups--they are limited liability groups. Their ability to profit, to do harm, and to seek after their own best interest is unlimited, but their liability for bad actions is limited. When we offer them equal rights, we cannot also require of them equal responsibilities. That's a problem.
    What legal responsibilities come with freedom of speech? What exactly are you legally required to do in order to have it? If you don't live up to those responsibilities, can your freedom of speech be taken away too?

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