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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That is exactly why groups don't have rights.

    Groups are not anything but a collaboration of individuals but they do not form a whole new person and thus cannot have rights as a group but as individuals.

    A group such as AARP should not be able to lobby the government but individuals should be able to.
    What if more than one person signs a letter? Do they lose their free speech rights because they are a group? Come on.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If Monsanto dumps 30 tons of toxic sludge into a river, the people who authorized such a thing should be jailed and their personal estates should be fined.

    The corporation should not shield them from prosecution.
    If it is a criminal act, the people will go to jail.

    On the other hand, if a corporation is bound by the law instead of the individuals, shouldn't the corporation have rights like individuals? Why should corporations have the burden of following the law but no protection of the law?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But I could find something you do. For every issue, there are lobbyists on BOTH sides.
    Maybe single issues but not all encompassing issues.

    My beliefs are very different from what most hold dear and can't be summarized by a single political lobbying group.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Really? While the Republicans are crowing about their victory in Massachusetts?

    If the people re-elect someone, it means they approve of the job someone is doing. Nobody stays in Washington long without facing the voters again. The voters have 100% of the power.
    I don't believe in popular democracy because most people who vote don't have enough information to make informed decisions on candidates and issues.

    Voters only retain power when they have good information, otherwise it's just political propaganda.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    No however, our ForeFathers NEVER could have dreamt a day of TV NEWS, Internet NEWs and such.
    Are you saying TV and internet broadcasters have no rights too?

    The press in their days often relied on the PEOPLE to send letters to the PRESS to publish in their paper. Thus freedom of the PRESS meant the Freedom for ME to question the GOVT, write a letter to my local newspaper and having it PRINTED for all to see.
    I think the founding fathers were smart enough to know that technology would change and we wouldn't be so literal and inflexible that we'd go to such ridiculous extremes. By your logic, only old-fashioned printing presses are protected, and newspapers that use computers and laser printers have no right to a "free press."

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't believe in popular democracy because most people who vote don't have enough information to make informed decisions on candidates and issues.

    Voters only retain power when they have good information, otherwise it's just political propaganda.
    Right. So you don't believe in democracy or free speech. You should have just said so in the first place.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    What if more than one person signs a letter? Do they lose their free speech rights because they are a group? Come on.
    If they both agree on the issue in said letter then they are each expressing their individual beliefs.

    It may seem like splitting hairs but to many people who rely on groups also get faulty information which in turn has negative consequences for others who are not part of the group.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    If it is a criminal act, the people will go to jail.

    On the other hand, if a corporation is bound by the law instead of the individuals, shouldn't the corporation have rights like individuals? Why should corporations have the burden of following the law but no protection of the law?
    Not always true, a lot of environmental laws that are broken are merely met with fines when it comes to corporations.
    On the other hand if I as an individual were to do it, I could and most likely would be jailed.

    Individuals within a corporation should be held to the law and not the corporation itself.

    If the CEO of X corporation approves of something illegal, then he/she and all the participants should have to pay the price.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If they both agree on the issue in said letter then they are each expressing their individual beliefs.
    What's the difference between that and a group of thousands, or millions?

    It may seem like splitting hairs but to many people who rely on groups also get faulty information which in turn has negative consequences for others who are not part of the group.
    It's not your place to decide that, nor the government's.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Right. So you don't believe in democracy or free speech. You should have just said so in the first place.
    Democracy is an extremist belief, the exact opposite as a dictatorship.
    Mob rule is no better than a single ruler.
    Sometimes a dictator can be a better decision maker.

    I don't have a problem with individual free speech.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    What's the difference between that and a group of thousands, or millions?
    Two people are more likely to agree on something in an exact manner than 1000's or millions.

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    It's not your place to decide that, nor the government's.
    It is my place if it positively hurts me.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't have a problem with individual free speech.
    Nothing in the First Amendment about "individuals" or persons. Just free speech. Period.

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