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    Re: Corporate Personhoodhttp://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I was using the word "favor" to refer to any of the multitude of potential ways other politicians, lobbiests, businesses, and entities of various types can repay a politician for supporting/opposing a bill that they want/don't want.
    Such as?

    Favors was the wrong word.
    Got a better word?

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    Re: Corporate Personhoodhttp://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    I would say it's their JOB.
    Yes, exactly.

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    Re: Corporate Personhoodhttp://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Such as?



    Got a better word?
    Not really.

    It seems we disagree on something.

    What would you depict as a politicians job?

    I usually think “represent their constituents.” In other words, vote/lobby/legislate for bills/changes to bills in process/whatever that will support the views of their constituents and improve their lives.

    Note that "improve their lives" is a highly subjective and nuanced objective.
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    Re: Corporate Personhoodhttp://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Not really.

    It seems we disagree on something.

    What would you depict as a politicians job?

    I usually think “represent their constituents.”
    Right - do them favors.

    In other words, vote/lobby/legislate for bills/changes to bills in process/whatever that will support the views of their constituents and improve their lives.

    Note that "improve their lives" is a highly subjective and nuanced objective.
    I noted that.

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    Re: Corporate Personhoodhttp://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Right - do them favors.



    I noted that.
    So, are you contending that the current system of government is as it should be, in general, and what some refer to as "corruption" is actually part of the politician’s job?
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    Re: Corporate Personhoodhttp://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    So, are you contending that the current system of government is as it should be, in general, and what some refer to as "corruption" is actually part of the politician’s job?
    I don't think I should answer that until you start getting specific about what you mean by "favors" and corruption and all that.

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    Re: Corporate Personhoodhttp://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I don't think I should answer that until you start getting specific about what you mean by "favors" and corruption and all that.
    Hmm...

    After you asked me what the definition of "favors" was, I realized that it didn't really apply to what I was speaking of.

    But what I was attempting to refer to was corruption. Yes, I suppose that is the word that fits.

    This discribes what I refer too.
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_corruption]Political corruption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Now, as to specific proven instances of such, I can't think of any right off the top of my head.

    But, everyone knows they happen, so obviously they do...
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    Re: Corporate Personhoodhttp://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Hmm...

    After you asked me what the definition of "favors" was, I realized that it didn't really apply to what I was speaking of.

    But what I was attempting to refer to was corruption. Yes, I suppose that is the word that fits.

    This discribes what I refer too.
    Political corruption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Now, as to specific proven instances of such, I can't think of any right off the top of my head.

    But, everyone knows they happen, so obviously they do...
    Okay, so you don't oppose favors, only corruption, which you don't define.

    Hey, great - everyone opposes corruption! Including me! So we all agree that corruption is bad. Great.

    Seriously, corruption is already pretty well defined, and pretty much illegal already.
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    Re: Corporate Personhoodhttp://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Okay, so you don't oppose favors, only corruption, which you don't define.
    I didn't? That was what the wiki link was for. I didn't feel like typing it all out. I'm lazy.
    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Hey, great - everyone opposes corruption! Including me! So we all agree that corruption is bad. Great.

    Seriously, corruption is already pretty well defined, and pretty much illegal already.
    Well, to some extent. But everyone knows it goes on anyway, so obviously it does.
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    Re: Corporate Personhoodhttp://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    The history of corporations suggests otherwise. Corporations were formed for a public purpose and at the pleasure of the sovereign; their charter was subject to revocation when they had served their purpose. The Framers would never have imagined that such grandiose power could be granted to corporations. The 1886 decision which appeared to announce that corporations were persons, was never argued. It simply makes no sense that they could have imagined the concept of corporate personhood.
    You know, repeating the same claim over and over is not the same as showing that claim to be true.
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