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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    Depends on what doing anything means. To push bills that favors only those who supported you rather then bills that favor the entire state you represent might be corruption depending on the situation.
    You realize that you're on the edge of saying pretty much all democracy is corrupt, right?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You realize that you're on the edge of saying pretty much all democracy is corrupt, right?
    Nope because democracy is a process where one man gets one vote. the majority votes deciede.

    What you are talking about is corruption, not democracy. Its not democracys fault that a Corp runs a ad slandering a candidate based on lies. nor is it Democracys fault that a Senator promises special things to a Corp during a closed door meeting. Democracy is not the culprit here, dispite how you try to twist my words or meaning.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    Nope because democracy is a process where one man gets one vote. the majority votes deciede.

    What you are talking about is corruption, not democracy. Its not democracys fault that a Corp runs a ad slandering a candidate based on lies. nor is it Democracys fault that a Senator promises special things to a Corp during a closed door meeting. Democracy is not the culprit here, dispite how you try to twist my words or meaning.
    People are the culprit. Mess up the perfection that is democracy, how dare they.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    Nope because democracy is a process where one man gets one vote. the majority votes deciede.

    What you are talking about is corruption, not democracy. Its not democracys fault that a Corp runs a ad slandering a candidate based on lies. nor is it Democracys fault that a Senator promises special things to a Corp during a closed door meeting. Democracy is not the culprit here, dispite how you try to twist my words or meaning.
    I'm not twisting anything. You just have no idea what democracy really is. How do candidates get the most votes?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    People are the culprit. Mess up the perfection that is democracy, how dare they.
    Yeah, people go off and vote for their own interests - "special" interests if you like. Corruption, I tell ya, corruption.

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    Re: Corporate Personhoodhttp://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Corporations are going to fund politics/political ads either way. At least this way, the small corporations (5+ people employed?) can state their case. As it previously stood, only the big corporations who could figure out ways around laws and/or violate them without being noticed were really able to.

    At least IMO.
    That and they can shut out or drown out the opposition. Not very democratic. Corporatist yes, democratic no.

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    Re: Corporate Personhoodhttp://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    But now, these big corporations can bluntly do what they did. And now we can't do anything about it. A perfect example of what they can do now, is what Jon Stewart was talking about, on Jan. 23 (I think). John Oliver represented a corporation, which aired a commerical about Jon Stewart, claiming he was a molestor, and other bull. The thing was, Stewart couldn't say anything about, because thats the nature of advertisement.

    The problem I foresee, is politicians making deals with corporations to support certain bills in return for vicious campaigns against political rivals. I'm sure politicians on both sides of the political spectrum would do this, because its just good business. And from what I can tell, it would be perfectly legal, and the layman would be ill-suited to discern fact from fiction.
    Exactly, let's not forget that Xcompany can spend whatever they want on a complete lie.

    Sure someone could sue for slander but large corporations can afford the lawyers necessary to win.

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    Re: Corporate Personhoodhttp://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    That and they can shut out or drown out the opposition. Not very democratic. Corporatist yes, democratic no.
    How could they shut out or drown out the opposition?

    From my read of this ruling, it only allows corporations to fund political ads, not eliminate other corporation's political ads...

    I suppose you meant “drown out” in the sense of “run a lot more ads than”?
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    Re: Corporate Personhoodhttp://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I'm not by any means well versed in this area, but aren't there anti-slander laws? Or do they not apply to political ads?


    I didn't say it was the optimum situation, I just find it better than it was before.

    Optimum solution IMO would be to separate politics and money completely. But that is impossible. So removing/severely limiting politics is the next possibility. Also impossible. Eliminating money? Possible, but it wouldn’t affect many of the deals which go down…favors could be argued as being a type of money, after all.

    All in the name of eliminating corruption, these thoughts are. A nearly impossible goal.
    It's not impossible. We simply must demand from our elected officials that they pass public campaign finance or don't elect/re-elect them until it passes.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    In another thread misterman said
    Judicial activism is when a judge goes beyond the literal words of the law or Constitution and move toward making his or her own law based on his own ideas about what is right or wrong, as if he were a legislator rather than a judge.

    The opposite of that is called judicial conservatism. It means sticking to the more narrow interpretation of the law or the Constitution.
    I say that those of you who believe corporations (and for you misterman, everything in the universe) has the same rights protected by The Constitution of the United States of America as a person, I'll even go so far as to argue, a citizen, are practicing the above definition of judicial activism.

    The Constitution does mention People and Persons but not corporations. Therefore we should not assume that the lack of mention should mean it's intent is different than it's literal interpretation. It doesn't mention corporations as having their rights protected so we shouldn't assume corporations are meant to be so covered.

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