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    Re: Corporate Personhoodhttp://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Well if everyone had vast amounts of time on their hands to research all the candidates, we could probably nominate a candidate who wasn't a corporate lackey.

    But he/she would become one shortly after entering office, most likely.
    You can only hope and pray for someone who is able to go down to the level of other politicians so he.she can win, but is able to still maintain integrity, and maintains the right objectives. Means to an end I believe.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    But now, these big corporations can bluntly do what they did. And now we can't do anything about it. A perfect example of what they can do now, is what Jon Stewart was talking about, on Jan. 23 (I think). John Oliver represented a corporation, which aired a commerical about Jon Stewart, claiming he was a molestor, and other bull. The thing was, Stewart couldn't say anything about, because thats the nature of advertisement.
    This sounds absolutely ludicrous.

    The problem I foresee, is politicians making deals with corporations to support certain bills in return for vicious campaigns against political rivals. I'm sure politicians on both sides of the political spectrum would do this, because its just good business. And from what I can tell, it would be perfectly legal, and the layman would be ill-suited to discern fact from fiction.
    What you're describing sounds a lot like honest services fraud, though I wouldn't get too attached to that law either. It's probably going to go the way of McCain-Feingold in a few months.
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    Re: Corporate Personhoodhttp://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    But now, these big corporations can bluntly do what they did. And now we can't do anything about it. A perfect example of what they can do now, is what Jon Stewart was talking about, on Jan. 23 (I think). John Oliver represented a corporation, which aired a commerical about Jon Stewart, claiming he was a molestor, and other bull. The thing was, Stewart couldn't say anything about, because thats the nature of advertisement.
    Huh?

    Stewart could sue for slander.

    The problem I foresee, is politicians making deals with corporations to support certain bills in return for vicious campaigns against political rivals.
    That's democracy. Happens all the time.

    the layman would be ill-suited to discern fact from fiction.
    Why beat around the bush? If the layman can't be trusted, just take away his vote.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Thats Democracy??? How so? Show me where Democracy allows favors for votes?

    Democracy - Definition and More from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    Main Entry: de·moc·ra·cy
    Pronunciation: \di-ˈmä-krə-sē\
    Function: noun
    Inflected Form(s): plural de·moc·ra·cies
    Etymology: Middle French democratie, from Late Latin democratia, from Greek dēmokratia, from dēmos + -kratia -cracy
    Date: 1576
    1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
    2 : a political unit that has a democratic government
    3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the United States <from emancipation Republicanism to New Deal Democracy — C. M. Roberts>
    4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority
    5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    Thats Democracy??? How so? Show me where Democracy allows favors for votes?
    You're kidding, right?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You're kidding, right?

    Nope...The fact it happens in America and other places isn't because of DEMOCRACY...corruption yes, democracy no. That was my point. Please don't slander Democracy...

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You're kidding, right?
    Why would he be kidding? Citing to the dictionary definition of an abstract concept that is entirely unrelated to the issue at hand is a powerful and classic debate tactic.

    I remember back when Douglas was making a point about tariffs and Lincoln interrupted to say "I don't see tariffs anywhere in the definition of AMERICA, do you? I've got the dictionary right here, and it says that AMERICA is about FREEDOM and PATRIOTISM, not tariffs."

    Some scholars suggest that that very line is what gave him the edge he needed among Horse n' Buggy Moms to take the exurbs and by proxy the White House.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    Nope...The fact it happens in America and other places isn't because of DEMOCRACY...corruption yes, democracy no. That was my point. Please don't slander Democracy...
    So doing anything to get someone's vote is corruption?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Why would he be kidding? Citing to the dictionary definition of an abstract concept that is entirely unrelated to the issue at hand is a powerful and classic debate tactic.
    Let's continue and see where this thread leads.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So doing anything to get someone's vote is corruption?
    Depends on what doing anything means. To push bills that favors only those who supported you rather then bills that favor the entire state you represent might be corruption depending on the situation. The subjects to broad to have a definite right or wrong in a easy posting.
    Reguardless, buying favors isn't part of Democracy, which can be defined as its not subject to just America but is a process so my posting a definition is valid and appropriate.

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