View Poll Results: Should Corproations have "personhood" rights?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Going back to the OP question, I have a question.

    At what point in time did corporations gain any or all the rights of a person?

    At the time, I assumed it was in reference to the recent SCOTUS decision.

    I have a different take on the SCOTUS decision.

    As a disclaimer, I haven’t read the SCOTUS decision, and all information I have gleaned about it has been screened through DP (I is lazy).

    SCOTUS was not saying "A corporation has the right to free speech".

    SCOTUS was saying "preventing the use of corporate funds for political ads by those individuals who control said corporation limits the free speech rights of those individuals."

    Any thoughts?
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood_debate]Corporate personhood debate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
    "In the United States, corporations were recognized as having rights to contract, and to have those contracts honored the same as contracts entered into by natural persons, in Dartmouth College v. Woodward Corporations were recognized as persons for purposes of the 14th Amendment in an 1886 Supreme Court Case, Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad, 118 U.S. 394. Some critics of corporate personhood, such as author Thom Hartmann in his book "Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights," claim that this was an intentional misinterpretation of the case inserted into the Court record by reporter J.C. Bancroft Davis. [1] Bancroft Davis had previously served as president of Newburgh and New York Railway Co."

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    … SCOTUS was not saying "A corporation has the right to free speech".

    SCOTUS was saying "preventing the use of corporate funds for political ads by those individuals who control said corporation limits the free speech rights of those individuals."

    Any thoughts?
    What if “those individuals who control said corporation” are not citizens of this country?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    What if “those individuals who control said corporation” are not citizens of this country?

    Non-citizens have a right to freedom of speech too.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Yes, you can.
    OK The Mark, The Obtuse. And what can happen to you for doing so?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; but only for individual people and not groups or corporations."

    Hey, look, you guys are right!

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    OK The Mark, The Obtuse. And what can happen to you for doing so?
    Consequences, of course.

    And no need to call me names.
    Education.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Please don't start throwing out insults or accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about. I know this stuff really well. Of course there are exceptions - but the exceptions have nothing to do with who is speaking.
    You don't know what you are talking about and that is evident.
    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No.

    But you can be a group and not an individual. Individuals aren't the only entities that have rights under the First Amendment.
    Religion is an idea. The Press is an idea. The People is the people. No entities besides people are mentioned in the first amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No it doesn't.
    Yes it does.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No it doesn't.
    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Consequences, of course.

    And no need to call me names.
    If you're going to be obtuse then expect to be labeled as such. If you prefer not to be labeled as such then perhaps consider not being obtuse.

    Now, what are the consequences? Are they legal consequences? Is there in fact laws that restrict free speech or not?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    You don't know what you are talking about and that is evident.
    Others have said that too, and found out otherwise. You're no different.

    Religion is an idea. The Press is an idea. The People is the people. No entities besides people are mentioned in the first amendment.
    The press is an entity.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    What if “those individuals who control said corporation” are not citizens of this country?

    I dunno, does campaign finance law restrict campaign contributions to US-only contributors?

    If a foreign corporation funds a political add for a candidate, wouldn't that be a point said candidates' opponents could use against him/her? Something like “X foreign corporation wants Y candidate to win because A, B, C.”
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