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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Do newspapers have rights, or just the individuals running them? Newspapers spend corporate money from their their treasuries, exactly like corporations, to pay for the ink and paper to express the views of the individuals.



    Or as corporate entities. Just like a newspaper publisher can.



    Again, read it. There is nothing about individuals with regard to freedom of speech.



    Are churches groups? Hmmm. What about when a corporate entity is sued - does it have a right to a jury trial, etc? I wonder.
    Why do you keep bring up the same arguments over and over again after they have been rebutted. Just admit that your idea about this subject is wrong. and move on, more informed.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So you're saying newspapers don't spend money?



    The point is they ARE corporations, yet nobody would say they have no right to freedom of the press. Even if they were a partnership - a partnership is not an individual. It's a partnership.



    Don't use the term retarded please. It's rude.

    The First Amendment says "Congress shall make no law..." No exceptions based on who, or what, is speaking.



    Yes, it does:



    FindLaw | Cases and Codes

    What about churches - do they have freedom of religion?



    Hey, fine - then the individuals running the corporations are the ones doing the freedom of speech thing.



    Corporations can make choices too.

    You, like so many people, jumped to a hasty conclusion you didn't think through. Not a big deal, just drop it.
    Do you have to be a corporation in order to be protected under the "Freedom of the Press"? Since you seem to have a problem with concepts I'll give you an example.

    If I print a monthly newsletter about Daisies, am I suddenly a corporation? Is my newsletter protected under the "Freedom of the Press" clause?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It doesn't mention people either!

    It says Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech. NO law.
    I really wanted to stand up and yell for the umpteenth time that it does actually mention people and you simply wish to ignore it.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Well I think we should discuss this topic. I don't believe corporations should have the rights of a person. What's your take and why?
    Going back to the OP question, I have a question.

    At what point in time did corporations gain any or all the rights of a person?

    At the time, I assumed it was in reference to the recent SCOTUS decision.

    I have a different take on the SCOTUS decision.

    As a disclaimer, I havenít read the SCOTUS decision, and all information I have gleaned about it has been screened through DP (I is lazy).

    SCOTUS was not saying "A corporation has the right to free speech".

    SCOTUS was saying "preventing the use of corporate funds for political ads by those individuals who control said corporation limits the free speech rights of those individuals."

    Any thoughts?
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Nobody said that.

    Laws that restrict speech are unconstitutional. Pretty simple.
    Again, you just throw some crap out and hope no one is smart enough to call you on it. An intelligent person would have learned by now...

    So, I can stand up in a crowded theater and yell FIRE!!!

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I provided you with citations to case law. You said "Try reading the Constitution." Yes, you've certainly got the upper hand in this debate.



    Why? Explain what part of the opinion you think is wrong, and cite some case law that supports for your position.



    Here's the difference between your position and mine:

    You could very easily find plenty of SC decisions I would disagree with. I would happily admit that I think the case turned out the wrong way. However, I would not then turn around and claim that those decisions are not good law because I don't like them.

    On the other hand, when you are presented with decisions that you don't like, you start ranting about how your misinterpretation of a portion of the Constitution proves that you're right. That's not quite the same thing.

    Here are indisputable facts:

    Both the liberals and conservatives on the SC have agreed for centuries that the Constitution applies to more than just individuals. Both the liberals and the conservatives on the SC have agreed for decades that the First Amendment protects the right of corporations to spend money in order to influence the political process. The court is currently skirmishing over the scope of this right, but the underlying principles that I have mentioned are not in doubt.

    You're free to think this is bad policy. You're free to think that the court got it wrong and it should all be changed. What you're not free to do is come up with your own facts and pretend like none of this ever happened.
    Do you believe Roe V Wade was a "good" legal decision?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    So, I can stand up in a crowded theater and yell FIRE!!!
    Yes, you can.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Do you have to be a corporation in order to be protected under the "Freedom of the Press"?
    No.

    But you can be a group and not an individual. Individuals aren't the only entities that have rights under the First Amendment.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Again, you just throw some crap out and hope no one is smart enough to call you on it. An intelligent person would have learned by now...

    So, I can stand up in a crowded theater and yell FIRE!!!
    Please don't start throwing out insults or accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about. I know this stuff really well. Of course there are exceptions - but the exceptions have nothing to do with who is speaking.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    I really wanted to stand up and yell for the umpteenth time that it does actually mention people and you simply wish to ignore it.
    No it doesn't.

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