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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Exactly! And they should have the same legal rights too.
    The people who own it should, corporations have no legal rights in my reality.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The people who own it should, corporations have no legal rights in my reality.
    If they have no legal rights, they have no legal obligations so they can do whatever they want.

    NOBODY would ever argue that corporations have no legal rights at all. That's ridiculous. They exist in order to have legal rights.

    The law doesn't just go one way. It obligates, and also protects.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    If they have no legal rights, they have no legal obligations so they can do whatever they want.

    NOBODY would ever argue that corporations have no legal rights at all. That's ridiculous. They exist in order to have legal rights.

    The law doesn't just go one way. It obligates, and also protects.
    What is it protecting?

    A corporation is just a group of people.
    Groups don't have rights, individuals do.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    What is it protecting?

    A corporation is just a group of people.
    Groups don't have rights, individuals do.
    People don't give up their rights just because they form a group. Why would they not have the right speak AS a group?
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    People don't give up their rights just because they form a group. Why would they not have the right speak AS a group?
    They have all the right to speak as individuals.
    Being a group does not change this.

    If they wish to speak as individuals in consensus, they are still individuals.
    The main problem with corporate personhood is deferring liability to a non existent person.

    The individuals who make bad decisions for their business should be personally liable.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They have all the right to speak as individuals.
    Being a group does not change this.

    If they wish to speak as individuals in consensus, they are still individuals.
    You're splitting hairs, really.


    The main problem with corporate personhood is deferring liability to a non existent person.

    The individuals who make bad decisions for their business should be personally liable.
    This is a different sphere.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You're splitting hairs, really.
    Not really, I'm not particularly fond of group lobbying.
    Collectivization of lobbying power has had negative effects on our system of government.

    How AARP can totally out lobby me, it defies the intent of a republic.
    Majority rule but not at the expense of the minority.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This is a different sphere.
    It's part of the many problems with corporate personhood.

    Liability should not be deferred to corporations when individuals within it make the choices.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    What is it protecting?

    A corporation is just a group of people.
    Groups don't have rights, individuals do.
    Groups don't have rights? Really?

    Businesses, associations, churches, political parties, clubs, etc have no legal rights? Hmm.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not really, I'm not particularly fond of group lobbying.
    Collectivization of lobbying power has had negative effects on our system of government.
    Seriously, dude. Do I have to pick out a few things you like? The civil rights movement, environmental protection, etc?

    How AARP can totally out lobby me, it defies the intent of a republic.
    Majority rule but not at the expense of the minority.
    Lobbyists have no power, only influence. Voters still have all the power.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not really, I'm not particularly fond of group lobbying.
    Collectivization of lobbying power has had negative effects on our system of government.

    How AARP can totally out lobby me, it defies the intent of a republic.
    Majority rule but not at the expense of the minority.
    Whether or not you're fond of it doesn't really matter; it's still a distinction with no real difference.


    It's part of the many problems with corporate personhood.

    Liability should not be deferred to corporations when individuals within it make the choices.
    Certainly you understand why such limited liability exists (and it's not absolute, either).
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