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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I always thought it was "freedom of the press".

    As in, the actual "press" which was used to print the news sheets.

    Yeah, those printing presses work all night for no pay. Free the press!

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yeah, those printing presses work all night for no pay. Free the press!
    I wonder...

    Is anyone out there arguing that "Freedom of the Press" referred only to newspapers, and thus all TV, Radio, and Internet media formats are not protected by it?
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The Bill of Rights was meant for individuals, faulty interpretations by the Supreme Court does not change this.
    Where do you get the idea that it was never "meant" to protect people exercising their rights as a group?

    You're making a positive statement about intent, which means you have to show it.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I wonder...

    Is anyone out there arguing that "Freedom of the Press" referred only to newspapers, and thus all TV, Radio, and Internet media formats are not protected by it?
    Without realizing it, perhaps.

    I like to point that one out when people claim that flag burning isn't speech (because it doesn't involve the act of speaking). I ask them if they think only publishers using printing presses have rights too.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Where do you get the idea that it was never "meant" to protect people exercising their rights as a group?

    You're making a positive statement about intent, which means you have to show it.
    Because very few, if any, groups have the exact same unified beliefs.

    Every human is different in beliefs, even if it is a matter of degree.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The Bill of Rights was meant for individuals, faulty interpretations by the Supreme Court does not change this.
    "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..."

    Nothing about individuals in there. In fact, there's a specific reference to groups - the press. Are newspapers individuals? Most are corporations, by the way.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Because very few, if any, groups have the exact same unified beliefs.

    Every human is different in beliefs, even if it is a matter of degree.
    Why does that change anything?

    Do individuals have to be 100% certain of their own opinions to express them too?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..."

    Nothing about individuals in there. In fact, there's a specific reference to groups - the press. Are newspapers individuals? Most are corporations, by the way.
    "The press" is a generalization referring to many different individuals who publish the great variety of stories, broadcasts etc.
    They do not share a unified political view, "the press" is made up of individuals expressing different opinions, beliefs and facts.

    Newspapers are not individuals, they are sheets of paper combined with ink to covey information in the form of words.

    Corporations have owners and each of these owners can express the right to free speech in any way they want, as individuals.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Why does that change anything?

    Do individuals have to be 100% certain of their own opinions to express them too?
    Not at all, individuals are allowed to say whatever they want, I don't care.

    The Bill of Rights was meant for individual liberties, not group rights.
    Who in the group, owns the gun, is allowed a trail by jury, can exercise in their freedom of religion?

    Individuals are afforded these rights, not groups.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Actually, I would hazard a guess that many of them join because they agree with most of those organizations lobbying positions. Not all. Probably a few join who don't agree at all, however odd that might be.

    But, essentially, you are correct.


    Not necessarily. Some employees may agree entirely with the political positions of the corporation they work for.

    But also essentially correct.

    However, I would argue that as both the A.A.R.P and the N.R.A take political positions which benefit their members, so also do corporations take political positions which benefit their members.
    What evidence is there that corporations speak for either employees or shareholders? None . A "share" is simply a financial instrument not a political position.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    "The press" is a generalization referring to many different individuals who publish the great variety of stories, broadcasts etc.

    They do not share a unified political view, "the press" is made up of individuals expressing different opinions, beliefs and facts.

    Newspapers are not individuals, they are sheets of paper combined with ink to covey information in the form of words.
    Do newspapers have rights, or just the individuals running them? Newspapers spend corporate money from their their treasuries, exactly like corporations, to pay for the ink and paper to express the views of the individuals.

    Corporations have owners and each of these owners can express the right to free speech in any way they want as individuals.
    Or as corporate entities. Just like a newspaper publisher can.

    The Bill of Rights was meant for individual liberties, not group rights.
    Again, read it. There is nothing about individuals with regard to freedom of speech.

    Who in the group, owns the gun, is allowed a trail by jury, can exercise in their freedom of religion?
    Are churches groups? Hmmm. What about when a corporate entity is sued - does it have a right to a jury trial, etc? I wonder.
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