View Poll Results: Should Corproations have "personhood" rights?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The people who write for and own the New York Times enjoy freedom of the press.

    Rights are for individuals, not groups.
    Groups are not people, they do not have a collective brain, mouth, sexual organ etc.

    Groups do not have rights.
    Correction, groups are granted rights by the government, they are not endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Correction, groups are granted rights by the government, they are not endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.
    Not precisely. The government is just an arm of the people, it is supposed to enforce the will of the people, from which rights actually arise. The idea that any creator imbued people with rights is, I agree, absurd.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And the actors, voiceovers, and PR people who develop ads for corporations enjoy free speech. They're simply being paid by corporations to do what the corporation wants, much like reporters are paid by the NY Times to do what the Times wants.

    There is no way to distinguish the two.
    Yes there is. The Constitution.

    So you would agree that the government could ban the Catholic church, right? I mean, individual Catholics enjoy freedom of religion, but groups don't have rights.
    Again you ignore the Constitution. Try reading it.

    Similarly, corporations, nonprofits, and unions could be banned from contacting Congress or speaking out on issues altogether. The individuals at those organizations might have the right to petition their governments and the right to free speech, but groups don't have rights.
    EXACTLY!!

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Yes there is. The Constitution.


    Again you ignore the Constitution. Try reading it.
    The actual Constitution, or your odd version of it?
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What about unsigned editorials coming from the organization itself?
    That should not be allowed but as I already stated, "the Press" is very different than it was in 1776

    Besides, and advertising by corporation is the same thing. A person wrote it.
    But the AD is paid for, not by a person but a corporation. As long as the AD is not political in nature it's an AD and not political speech.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    So I'm free to do whatever I want, except when I deal with a company or produce something myself? So can I own a house? Well someone has to build that, so rights can be restricted. Can I turn on a light? Well someone has to provide it so rights can be restricted. Can I eat some food? Well someone has to make it so rights can be restricted.

    If you restrict the rights of the organization then you restrict the rights of the individual.
    That's complete nonsense. What does that have to do with free speech?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    That's complete nonsense. What does that have to do with free speech?
    Well you said that groups have no rights, but groups are infused in pretty much every part of our lives. If groups have no rights then we basically have no rights.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Who has proved that radio and tv are public airwaves and so are supposed to provide public service? That's not self-evident.
    The Government. [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Communications_Commission]Federal Communications Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    The amount of publicity you get is proportional to the amount of support that you have. What's wrong with that?
    I don't know what you are talking about or what relevance it has.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    That proves nothing. The government is wrong about that.

    I don't know what you are talking about or what relevance it has.
    What's so bad if I'm running for office and I get some financial support for my campaign from GM?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Then what's an assembly to you?
    In the context we are speaking; A gathering of PEOPLE for a specific purpose. Going to work does not qualify as "assembling".

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