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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

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    "We the entities of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
    "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..."

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    "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech of people but not entities, or of the press..."

    By the way, most media outlets aren't people - and most are corporations too. Do they have no right to freedom of the press?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The First Amendment says nothing about protecting only persons. It merely says NO law restricting freedom of speech shall be passed.
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

    Who was the Constitution written for? To protect the rights of the PEOPLE from government?

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

    I say if corporations are "people" and deserve the rights of "the people" then they should be subject to all of the same laws as well. If a corporation breaks a law, then that corporation should see jail time as well as financial penalties. The death penalty should be used as well; any company that kills a person or another entity should have the death penalty or life in prison available as a penalty. Who would you put in jail for life? All of the execs? Shareholders? Employees? or should the company be forced to close it's doors and cease functions until the term is complete?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..."

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    "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech of people but not entities, or of the press..."

    By the way, most media outlets aren't people - and most are corporations too. Do they have no right to freedom of the press?
    Did you happen to notice that the Constitution specifically pointed out that the Press has this right? Hmm... nothing about corporations though. Actually it specifically mentions Religion, The People and the Press and nothing nor anyone else.

    Normally you don't assume something includes everything simply because it doesn't specifically exclude them. Can we include vehicles too, I sit in one, just like I work in a company. How about animals too, they aren't excluded from the Constitution so I should be able to include them where ever I see fit?
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    No they are not a person. Yet they still should enjoy freedom of expression, I dont see why a small business has a right to put a Pro candidate sign in their window but Walmart cant run pro candidate advertisements.


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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Well I think we should discuss this topic. I don't believe corporations should have the rights of a person. What's your take and why?
    Corporate personhood was one of the dumbest things that could of been allowed to pass.

    The owners of said corporations are free to express themselves in any way possible, why do corporations need to be treated as persons?

    It makes no sense and has caused perverse incentives to develop of the years.
    They exist as liability shields and allow "bigness" in firms.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I am the head of a corporation (don't get too worked up, folks, it is VERY small), and I can state an emphatic NO to that. A corporation is not a person. A corporation is simply a legally defined business enterprise.
    You are the second Corp owner I know that believes that. My fellow reservist has a small business is stanchly against any business having the same rights as a business. He thought that many many many years ago a business license had to be re-applied for every few years and that if the business couldn't prove they provided a needed good or service they were denied a re-issue of their license. He is of the belief his business excists to provide for him and his wife/children and if his children want to take over some day great, if not thats fine too. the idea that a business can excist for 120 yrs is wrong to him.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

    Who was the Constitution written for? To protect the rights of the PEOPLE from government?
    And it does a great job of that. But the First Amendment does more than that. It protects free speech. All free speech.

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

    I say if corporations are "people" and deserve the rights of "the people" then they should be subject to all of the same laws as well. If a corporation breaks a law, then that corporation should see jail time as well as financial penalties. The death penalty should be used as well; any company that kills a person or another entity should have the death penalty or life in prison available as a penalty. Who would you put in jail for life? All of the execs? Shareholders? Employees? or should the company be forced to close it's doors and cease functions until the term is complete?
    Corporations are subject to the laws too. Just because you can't treat them the same as persons sometimes doesn't mean they aren't. Of course, you can send corporate execs to jail when appropriate.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    And it does a great job of that. But the First Amendment does more than that. It protects free speech. All free speech.



    Corporations are subject to the laws too. Just because you can't treat them the same as persons sometimes doesn't mean they aren't. Of course, you can send corporate execs to jail when appropriate.
    Corporations are not people, they do not do anything.
    The people who own and run it do.

    They should be held to the same legal standards as everyone else and should not be able to hide behind corporate personhood.
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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Did you happen to notice that the Constitution specifically pointed out that the Press has this right?
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    Yes, I did.

    Is the press a person? Is a newspaper or TV station a person?

    Normally you don't assume something includes everything simply because it doesn't specifically exclude them. Can we include vehicles too, I sit in one, just like I work in a company. How about animals too, they aren't excluded from the Constitution so I should be able to include them where ever I see fit?
    Yes. Congress is also forbidden from passing laws restricting the free speech rights of trucks. If you ever need to protect that right, call the ACLU.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Corporations are not people, they do not do anything.
    The people who own and run it do.

    They should be held to the same legal standards as everyone else and should not be able to hide behind corporate personhood.
    Exactly! And they should have the same legal rights too.

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