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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    That's a rather deceptive way to define profit, and wholly different from the word's ordinary meaning. To paraphrase Lincoln, calling a dog's tail a leg doesn't make it one.
    It's a more accurate way of describing profit and human nature. There's a reason that happy and truly cheerful people don't cut themselves. There is no benefit to them. People don't harm themselves just for the sake of harming themselves. Means to an end. People always seek profit in some way.

    Until your ideal world comes to pass, you can't act as if it has.
    Right now people can't sue companies for pollution as long as they are within their legally allowed emissions. That should change now, don't you think?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    I support people being able to devote a certain amount of money to a campaign, so I have no problem of people giving food to people while they talk about a candidate.

    Spending money on chips is very inexpensive, so that would be under the amount of money that people could donate to a politician.

    But of course, I would be against someone giving lobster to people so they would see them talk about a candidate that they support. (assuming that the food costs thousands of dollars though)

    As I said before, people and corporations can contribute money to a campaign, but there needs to be limits on that contributions.
    It would be an arbitrary limit though. Have you ever thought about why politicians get a salary for their work in government? It's not the way it always used to be.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    That's a rather deceptive way to define profit, and wholly different from the word's ordinary meaning.
    If I may interject...

    It is wholly different from the "ordinary" meaning, if by "ordinary" you mean simple and pedestrian. If you mean "ordinary" in the sense of academically accepted, then no. He's an Austrian, thus a tad eccentric, but still within economic orthodoxy. Quite simply, profit is definitely not only Federal Reserve Notes.
    Last edited by Areopagitican; 01-24-10 at 04:09 PM.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I believe that if non-profits can have a voice, then corporations should have a profit. If we take away this right from the corporations, then the non-profits should lose that right as well.

    All, or none.
    I'm with you on that. Only a PERSON should have their rights protected under the Constitution. Everything else should have rules and regulations laid out by the Government when they are granted their Business License.

    I would also include Churches in that, BTW.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    I'm with you on that. Only a PERSON should have their rights protected under the Constitution. Everything else should have rules and regulations laid out by the Government when they are granted their Business License.

    I would also include Churches in that, BTW.
    So I'm free to do whatever I want, except when I deal with a company or produce something myself? So can I own a house? Well someone has to build that, so rights can be restricted. Can I turn on a light? Well someone has to provide it so rights can be restricted. Can I eat some food? Well someone has to make it so rights can be restricted.

    If you restrict the rights of the organization then you restrict the rights of the individual.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    I still don't see what's wrong with the public being taxed X amount of dollars ($5) to fund elections. PERIOD. Radio and TV should be forced (since they are public airwaves and they are supposed to provide public service) to allow each candidate an equal amount of campaign ads and run them back to back.

    Let's get the money out of our elections so that we can get the money out of our government and return control to THE PEOPLE.

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am not sure about actual person hood but under the first amendment we have the right to peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. A corporation would technically be an assembly of people much the same way unions,religious groups, NRA and other lobby groups and other groups of people. So therefore the first amendment applies to them as well. This is why I think the real is issues is campaign donations not personhood.

    I however do not believe that donating money is speech seeing how speech is verbal and or nonverbal communication(written,typed, sign language and etc) with words(this also means that flag burning is not speech) nor is donating money a form of addressing grievances to the government since money is not communication. I could be wrong but I do not ever remember in history class of any of our founding forefathers saying that donating money to politicians is a form of speech or addressing grievances to the government. Also we should keep in mind our constitutional rights only apply to American citizens,so no foreign government,foreign company/multinational companies should have the right to petition our government for anything. So I do not believe limiting campaign contributions is a violation of the constitution(unless there is a amendment that specifically says there is not limit to campaign contributions ) and if one person is limited in donating money then so should everyone else.
    I believe you are GREATLY stretching the meaning of "assembly".

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    I still don't see what's wrong with the public being taxed X amount of dollars ($5) to fund elections. PERIOD. Radio and TV should be forced (since they are public airwaves and they are supposed to provide public service) to allow each candidate an equal amount of campaign ads and run them back to back.

    Let's get the money out of our elections so that we can get the money out of our government and return control to THE PEOPLE.
    Who has proved that radio and tv are public airwaves and so are supposed to provide public service? That's not self-evident.

    The amount of publicity you get is proportional to the amount of support that you have. What's wrong with that?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    I believe you are GREATLY stretching the meaning of "assembly".
    Then what's an assembly to you?

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    Re: Corporate Personhood

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    I still don't see what's wrong with the public being taxed X amount of dollars ($5) to fund elections. PERIOD. Radio and TV should be forced (since they are public airwaves and they are supposed to provide public service) to allow each candidate an equal amount of campaign ads and run them back to back.
    Because with the fund, you still have all the same Bill of Rights issues.

    Let's get the money out of our elections so that we can get the money out of our government and return control to THE PEOPLE.
    Suppose they did. THEN what are you going to blame the problems on?

    (Not to mention that pretty much whenever someone says something about "giving power to the people," they have a pretty solidified idea of what "the people" will do . . . and when "the people" inevitably don't do that . . . )
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