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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    A zygote meets the loose definitions of "parasite" as much as it meets the loose definitions of "organism".
    Then we should perhaps call a Zygote a zygote, and not refer to it by a less specific term?
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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Your vote in the poll doesn't reflect this belief of yours.
    As I already posted (though I notice you ignore the people with actual points to make) both answers in your poll are true, it just depends upon the definition of organism you use. But I was only able to select one.
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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    As I already posted (though I notice you ignore the people with actual points to make) both answers in your poll are true, it just depends upon the definition of organism you use. But I was only able to select one.
    Both poll answers cannot possibly be true.

    There may be opposing opinions on which is true, but it is not possible for both to be true.
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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Both poll answers cannot possibly be true.

    There may be opposing opinions on which is true, but it is not possible for both to be true.
    Yes, a single celled zygote is in fact an organism when you define it as "1. living thing: a living thing, e.g. a plant, animal, virus, or bacterium"

    No, a single celled zygote is not in fact an organism when you define it as anything including the words "individual", "whole", "complete", etc.



    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    It is also worth noting that for as similar to a 'parasitic relationship' is (that a zygote and it's mother share) there are things about the relationship which is not common to true parasitic relationships. The way in which the mother's and the child's immune systems interact to not reject one another for example. In some cases, they even boost each others immune systems.
    A zygote doesn't have an immune system.
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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    Yes, a single celled zygote is in fact an organism when you define it as "1. living thing: a living thing, e.g. a plant, animal, virus, or bacterium"

    No, a single celled zygote is not in fact an organism when you define it as anything including the words "individual", "whole", "complete", etc.
    Those are opinions as too what defines the word "organism".

    As opinions, they neither prove nor disprove whether a zygote is or is not an organism.
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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Those are opinions as too what defines the word "organism".

    As opinions, they neither prove nor disprove whether a zygote is or is not an organism.
    A dictionary isn't proof of biology, but it does prove that this poll is meaningless and that my choice doesn't conflict with my previous statement. It also proves you were wrong when you said both cannot be true.
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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    Yes, a single celled zygote is in fact an organism when you define it as "1. living thing: a living thing, e.g. a plant, animal, virus, or bacterium"
    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    No, a single celled zygote is not in fact an organism when you define it as anything including the words "individual", "whole", "complete", etc.
    A creature in the zygote stage of its life most certainly is an individual organism; genetically unique; living a seperate life from all others, complete given the stage of life it is in and indeed 'viable' in the respect that it is capable of maintaining it life.

    Your incessant whining to the contrary not withstanding.

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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    A dictionary isn't proof of biology, but it does prove that this poll is meaningless and that my choice doesn't conflict with my previous statement. It also proves you were wrong when you said both cannot be true.
    How does it disprove my statement?

    It seems obvious to me that a zygote cannot be both an organism and not an organism.

    Some persons, depending on differing opinions of what defines the word "organism", may then disagree on whether or not a zygote is an organism.

    That doesn’t make a zygote both an organism and not an organism.

    It just means there are differing opinions on the question.
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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    A creature in the zygote stage of its life most certainly is an individual organism; genetically unique; living a seperate life from all others, complete given the stage of life it is in and indeed 'viable' in the respect that it is capable of maintaining it life.

    Your incessant whining to the contrary not withstanding.
    We've been over this multiple times. It is not an individual because it is not capable of independent existence; it is not genetically unique because of twinning; it is not separate because it is a parasite; it is incomplete because it hasn't fully developed; it is not viable in the sense of surviving outside of the womb; and it is not capable of maintaining its life apart from the mother.

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    How does it disprove my statement?

    It seems obvious to me that a zygote cannot be both an organism and not an organism.
    There are multiple definitions of the word, so there are multiple right answers to the poll. If you stipulate a single definition then they cannot both be true, but then the poll would be unnecessary.
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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    it is an organism, it lives, it absorbs nutrients from the mother, and eventually undergoes cell division

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