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    Arrow Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Just wondering, but are you partially channeling NP?

    So many periods...
    It's a type of punctuation called an "elipsis."

    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis"]Ellipsis[/ame] (plural ellipses; from the Greek: ἔλλειψις, élleipsis, "omission") is a mark or series of marks that usually indicate an intentional omission of a word or a phrase from the original text. An ellipsis can also be used to indicate a pause in speech, an unfinished thought, or, at the end of a sentence, a trailing off into silence (aposiopesis) (apostrophe and elipsis mixed). The ellipsis calls for a slight pause in speech.
    The most common form of an ellipsis is a row of three periods or full stops (...) or pre-composed triple-dot glyph (…). The usage of the em dash (—) can overlap the usage of ellipsis.
    The triple-dot punctuation mark is also called a suspension point, points of ellipsis, periods of ellipsis, or colloquially, dot-dot-dot.

    I don't generally think about it before using it.

    When I'm typing and actually take a pause or have another related thought,... <--- I indicate it like that.
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    Arrow Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    • A zygote is not capable of biological independence - one of the qualifiers for being an organism.
    • A zygote is not the end product of the reproductive cycle; as this is the process by which a new individual/organism is created, this implies that a zygote is not yet an organism.
    • A zygote is united ('formed into a single whole') with the mother, both semantically (dictionary link to 'placenta') and biologically (microchimerism).
    • A zygote is described as 'developing into' an organism, which strongly implies it is not yet one.

    That's what you haven't addressed.
    I've decided to take these questions one at a time in each their own thread,... so that others may join in and to (hopefully) eliminate some congestion.

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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    It's a type of punctuation called an "elipsis."

    Ellipsis (plural ellipses; from the Greek: ἔλλειψις, élleipsis, "omission") is a mark or series of marks that usually indicate an intentional omission of a word or a phrase from the original text. An ellipsis can also be used to indicate a pause in speech, an unfinished thought, or, at the end of a sentence, a trailing off into silence (aposiopesis) (apostrophe and elipsis mixed). The ellipsis calls for a slight pause in speech.
    The most common form of an ellipsis is a row of three periods or full stops (...) or pre-composed triple-dot glyph (…). The usage of the em dash (—) can overlap the usage of ellipsis.
    The triple-dot punctuation mark is also called a suspension point, points of ellipsis, periods of ellipsis, or colloquially, dot-dot-dot.

    I don't generally think about it before using it.

    When I'm typing and actually take a pause or have another related thought,... <--- I indicate it like that.
    I am aware of the usage and name.

    The comma threw me off.

    I usually see it with simply three dots, or in some cases, with more, to indicate a longer pause.

    And, I was trying for a little humor.
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    rolleyes Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I am aware of the usage and name.

    The comma threw me off.

    I usually see it with simply three dots, or in some cases, with more, to indicate a longer pause.

    And, I was trying for a little humor.
    The coma threw you off,... so you asked,.. "why so many periods?"

    Riiiiight.

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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    The coma threw you off,... so you asked,.. "why so many periods?"

    Riiiiight.
    It's true.

    /shrug

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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    It's important to note though that any cell with a nucleus is still part of a holistic system. Even though we can examine a zygote's nature separately, in nature it cannot be separate from the body if it is to continue living. The same goes for any cell in the body, any tissue, or any organ.

    So if you're looking at the zygote you also have to view it in relation to the rest of the body. As a cell it needs the body to live and cannot be apart from it for any meaningful amount of time.

    Which in turn sort of answers the question. The zygote can't be a human organism if it's dead or separate from the body; it can't be put into a non-human organism to live because it will be attacked; the only place it can live is in-utero, in a human. That to me makes it a human organism.

    Hmmm.. I take issue with this. A ordinary human cell, like that of hair, or skin, is not unique. A Zygote is unique. It may require energy and sustenance, but it is very unique, and an individual by all meaningful ways. One might liken a zygote to a parasite in some ways.


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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Hmmm.. I take issue with this. A ordinary human cell, like that of hair, or skin, is not unique. A Zygote is unique. It may require energy and sustenance, but it is very unique, and an individual by all meaningful ways. One might liken a zygote to a parasite in some ways.


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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Can I ask why you are reviving a thread that has been dead for nearly 11 months?
    LOL Wow, I didn't even notice that. It was weird, I saw it in the Abortion thread at the top, so I commented? I had no idea? That was spooky..

    Edit: Now it's gone? Is someone having a little fun? I swear it was right at the top of the Abortion thread?????


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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    LOL Wow, I didn't even notice that. It was weird, I saw it in the Abortion thread at the top, so I commented? I had no idea? That was spooky..


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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Hmmm.. I take issue with this. A ordinary human cell, like that of hair, or skin, is not unique. A Zygote is unique. It may require energy and sustenance, but it is very unique, and an individual by all meaningful ways. One might liken a zygote to a parasite in some ways.


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    Ah but a human hair is unique from that of a human heart. So basically the human body has lots of unique cellular parts in it...which can include a zygote.
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