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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    At this point, I'd say its worthless to stay subscribed to this thread.
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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Thats due to the direct failings of a participant. If you cannot abide by the rules without having someone babysit you, just leave. No one wants to waste anymore time on you.
    Pot, kettle, black my friend.

    I started this thread,... It means little to me that a few holdouts aren't satisfied with the poll results and are incapable of convincing others that we should deny that a zygote is in fact an organism.

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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    No,.. To your point that we are not going to agree on the meaning of words like "life" "zygote" "organism", etc,...

    How is it that you think we are going to suddenly agree on the relevant definition of the word "human?"
    We aren't.

    But that doesn't matter.
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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by phildozer9121 View Post
    Again,

    After the food source of the egg is exhausted, it ends up as just a cluster of cells. It can't take in its own food. it can't metabolize, so it can't grow, ergo, it's not an organism.

    Just like when your skin cells (which we have all agreed are not organisms) can't grow if they don't have energy.
    It is not true that a zygote cannot take in food. It does so before implantation by taking in endometrial secretions.
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    Question Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    I'm here again,... Ian.

    Now,... what point is it (again) that you feel I haven't adrdressed?

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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life
    I'm here again,... Ian.

    Now,... what point is it (again) that you feel I haven't adrdressed?
    Thanks for responding.

    I came into this thread at post #95. See that post for most of the details; it's too long to quote here.

    You didn't really respond to it, and I had to remind you about it in post #158. Seeing as it's a fairly good summary, I'll quote it here:
    Quote Originally Posted by iangb, post#158
    The dictionary says that an organism is an individual which is 'capable of independent existence'. The definition of viability says that a zygote is not capable of independent existence.
    Furthermore, the definition of the placenta says that the ZEF is 'a single unit' (united) with the mother, microchimerism shows that the ZEF exchanges cells with the mother (making it even less of an individual), the definition of the reproductive cycle says that a new individual is only produced by parturition (birth), and the definition of a zygote itself says that the single cell 'develops into' an organism, implying that it is not already an organism (because if this was not the case, the entire definition would be grammatically redundant).
    You continued to ignore most of it, and you last comment on the issue was post #183, in which you said the following:
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz, post#183
    I'm letting the dicionary stuff fester,... for as long as it takes for me to scribe the post I think necessary to say what i want to say.

    No hurries,... no worries.
    After this point, you didn't comment on the topic again.

    So - what haven't you addressed? You haven't addressed the fact that four dictionary definitions and a cited wikipedia link (read: one with the appropriate citations) directly contradict your claims that a zygote is an organism. To summarise them here:
    • A zygote is not capable of biological independence - one of the qualifiers for being an organism.
    • A zygote is not the end product of the reproductive cycle; as this is the process by which a new individual/organism is created, this implies that a zygote is not yet an organism.
    • A zygote is united ('formed into a single whole') with the mother, both semantically (dictionary link to 'placenta') and biologically (microchimerism).
    • A zygote is described as 'developing into' an organism, which strongly implies it is not yet one.


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    Cool Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    Thanks for responding.

    I came into this thread at post #95. See that post for most of the details; it's too long to quote here.

    You didn't really respond to it, and I had to remind you about it in post #158. Seeing as it's a fairly good summary, I'll quote it here:

    You continued to ignore most of it, and you last comment on the issue was post #183, in which you said the following:
    After this point, you didn't comment on the topic again.


    So - what haven't you addressed? You haven't addressed the fact that four dictionary definitions and a cited wikipedia link (read: one with the appropriate citations) directly contradict your claims that a zygote is an organism. To summarise them here:
    • A zygote is not capable of biological independence - one of the qualifiers for being an organism.
    • A zygote is not the end product of the reproductive cycle; as this is the process by which a new individual/organism is created, this implies that a zygote is not yet an organism.
    • A zygote is united ('formed into a single whole') with the mother, both semantically (dictionary link to 'placenta') and biologically (microchimerism).
    • A zygote is described as 'developing into' an organism, which strongly implies it is not yet one.

    That's what you haven't addressed.
    Dude,.. I'm not about to start reading,... nor writing a book on this.

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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    ...that's the purpose of the four bullet points? All you need are those, and the contents of post#95 for the more detailed version.

    The bullet points state things which oppose your claim. Post #95 provides the evidence for those things, should you need it.

    It's all there - and saying you don't want to respond because there's too much of it is just a positive testament.
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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Dude,.. I'm not about to start reading,... nor writing a book on this.

    If you want a response from me,... you are going to have to boil it down.... or break it up into pieces.
    Just wondering, but are you partially channeling NP?

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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    organism - definition of organism by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    or·gan·ism (ôrg-nzm)
    n.
    1. An individual form of life, such as a plant, animal, bacterium, protist, or fungus; a body made up of organs, organelles, or other parts that work together to carry on the various processes of life.
    2. A system regarded as analogous in its structure or functions to a living body: the social organism.
    A computer is a system. It has a structure analogous to those in a living body. If computers have a sort of "birth", "lifespan" and ultimately a "death", and if it is perfectly fine for me to take my computer and destroy it in whatever way I see fit. Is it fine for a woman to do the same thing to a zygote? Or are we only using the definitions which match whatever it is we want?
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