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    Question Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    I know this has some holes, logically, because I've never thought it out. But when I think "human" I think empathy, logic, reason, and even opposable thumbs. In short, nothing a zygote has.
    Human sperm,... Human egg,... human sexual reproduction,.... Human zygote,... zygote is an organism,....

    Again,... if the zygote is not a human organism,...

    What kind of organism is it?

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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    "Organism" is a convenient label, but like most labels is not complete. A zygote is what it is, and it really does not matter what labels we pin on it.
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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Human sperm,... Human egg,... human sexual reproduction,.... Human zygote,... zygote is an organism,....

    Again,... if the zygote is not a human organism,...

    What kind of organism is it?
    Sub-Homo Sapien? An organism that is neither man or beast. Somewhere in between...?

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    Question Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Sub-Homo Sapien? An organism that is neither man or beast. Somewhere in between...?
    Can you support this claim with any references?

    As I have attempted to support mine?

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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Inspired by Iangb's steadfast denial; that a newly formed human zygote is in fact, biologically a human organism,....



    I would like to provide some links and take a poll on the issue.

    "organism (ôrg-nzm)
    An individual form of life that is capable of growing, metabolizing nutrients, and usually reproducing. Organisms can be unicellular or multicellular. They are scientifically divided into five different groups (called kingdoms) that include prokaryotes, protists, fungi, plants, and animals, and that are further subdivided based on common ancestry and homology of anatomic and molecular structures."
    -- Free Dictionary.com

    zygote
    "The single-celled organism that results from the joining of the egg and sperm."
    -- Planned Parenthood


    " The sperm and egg merge to form a little single-celled organism called a zygote, which consists of the 23 chromosomes from the man's sperm and the 23 chromosomes from the female's egg. These chromosomes will determine the baby's hair color, eye color and whether the baby will be a boy or a girl."-How Stuff Works

    "2) zygote : fertilized egg; one-celled organism;"--Oaklahoma School of Math and Science

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    The issue is not whether they are a living human organism, but whether or not they are persons.

    One human cell is a human organism. It contains 22 autosomal pairs and 1 pair of sex chromosomes.

    A human liver cell also contains all of these.

    So does a heart cell.

    So does a brain cell.

    Any cell with a nucleus has these. A zygote has them too.

    They are living organisms. They have human DNA so they are human organisms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    "Organism" is a convenient label, but like most labels is not complete. A zygote is what it is, and it really does not matter what labels we pin on it.
    I notice that you haven't voted in the poll, yet.

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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    I notice that you haven't voted in the poll, yet.
    It's because I think the question is without real meaning, and I don't like polls that people try and use as gotcha tools. Usually, as in this case, they have not actually thought the whole thing through.
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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    It's important to note though that any cell with a nucleus is still part of a holistic system. Even though we can examine a zygote's nature separately, in nature it cannot be separate from the body if it is to continue living. The same goes for any cell in the body, any tissue, or any organ.

    So if you're looking at the zygote you also have to view it in relation to the rest of the body. As a cell it needs the body to live and cannot be apart from it for any meaningful amount of time.

    Which in turn sort of answers the question. The zygote can't be a human organism if it's dead or separate from the body; it can't be put into a non-human organism to live because it will be attacked; the only place it can live is in-utero, in a human. That to me makes it a human organism.
    Last edited by Orion; 01-22-10 at 01:22 AM.

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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    There's a disturbing lack of biological knowledge around here.

    If it's a cell then it's an organism. It has DNA/RNA, organelles, etc. So a cell is an organism. Hence a zygote is an organism. A zygote is a little different in that the DNA in it is not yet active, but it will be, so it's an organism.

    Is it a human? Well, if it's not, then what species is it?

    So yes, a zygote is a human organism. The real question is about when it gets dignity.

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    Re: Is a single celled human zygote an 'organism'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Can you support this claim with any references?

    As I have attempted to support mine?
    Zero. I'm just conversing. My opinion, as I said, hasn't been thought out. I was just expressing my elementary sentiments.

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