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    Should School computers have firewalls?

    I think the schools that use firewalls are to restrictive. i mean they even block images depending from the site. thats what i produce proxy sites for schools.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Well i voted wrong. No they shoudl not.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iwa View Post
    I think the schools that use firewalls are to restrictive. i mean they even block images depending from the site. thats what i produce proxy sites for schools.
    if the schools took down the firewalls then that might result in you accessing information to enhance your education
    we can't have that going on in our schools, iwa


    let's take a tangent and ask if students who are without a computer and internet access in their homes can fairly compete against those who possess such resources ... is that not a different kind of firewall?


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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iwa View Post
    I think the schools that use firewalls are to restrictive. i mean they even block images depending from the site. thats what i produce proxy sites for schools.
    How old are you really? Are you still in middle school and pissed that you can't chat on myspace,make updates on twitter or look at porn when you are supposed to be doing schoolwork? Schools,businesses and many other places can have all the firewalls, net nannys and other **** they want, it is not your computer or internet connection.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    In my experience, students seem to have a tendency to socialize whenever possible. It's natural. Unfortunately for me, and them I suppose, the teacher must limit such socialization to a minimum. I've found students who were able to find ways to bypass the filters and access facebook and myspace. It's amazing actually. I have no idea how they do it, but they do.

    Firewalls aren't even enough to block students from accessing certain sites. But I'm not so much concerned about the type of material they can access on the web on campus, because they can sure as hell access those type of material when they get home if they wanted to. What I'm more concerned about is the students using their time in class for class, and not for socialization.

    Students don't need AIM or any particular IM server. They can just create an account on some type of forum (like this one) and PM each other. No need to Meebo. They're getting more creative. Funny thing that I notice is that there is virtually no more note passing, it's texting now. I don't look for students who are passing notes anymore, I look for the ones who have their hands in their backpacks on their laps for 5 minutes pretending their looking for a pencil.

    Sorry for the long post, which is a little off topic too, apologies. Firewalls? It's a good thing. I don't think firewalls are enough, though.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How old are you really?
    IMO, It is a legitimate thing to talk about [filtering, and how far is enough, how far is too far, effectiveness, pitfalls, etc], whereas creating false chairactures of those who criticize filters in schools is not.

    I went to a middle/high school with filtering, but terrible filtering.

    Sites with legitimate information were frequently blocked, and the word filter was such where legitimate searches for information [whatever means was used not factoring in to it] would end up blocked because the filter was set up where even if the word was but a syllable or two in the whole word, your search was blocked. Search for recipies that use ****ake mushrooms, oops, the word sh*t is in it, so the result is blocked, just like how it is censored in these forums. Teachers were pissed off frequently, as were students [whom, contrary to popular belief, weren't always about playing the latest flash games though that DID happen a lot too].

    I think the problem is HOW these places are implementing filters really. On top of that, there are always ways around it - a problem with how well anything is implemented, how secure it is, and also a factor of the intelligence of students in the system. Not allowing unapproved programs but allow batch scripting? Easy avenue to work around things... I know from experience. Don't block proxy sites? Right there is another workaround.
    [Lightdemon, how can one go farther than filtering? I am curious.]
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Until the senior year, I don't think that kids have any need to be exposed to computers at all, except possibly for serious students in a technical course of study.

    I also don't approve of cooks. janitors or sports programs in schools.


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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    School's computers/network so they can do as they like.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    [Lightdemon, how can one go farther than filtering? I am curious.]
    Well, at the school that I teach, some computer classes have software that allows the teacher to view all of the monitors in the classroom. I'm not sure what that software is called, but it's really awesome. Not only does it allow surveillance, but also the teacher can project their own screen onto their students monitors, so everyone stops what their doing and follows along. This tool I think is absolutely necessary in a type of classroom where each student have their own computer.

    In terms of navigating the internet and the type of material that can be accessed...well, I'm really not that concerned about that, like I said earlier. What I'm more concerned about is how student's use their time in class.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How old are you really? Are you still in middle school and pissed that you can't chat on myspace,make updates on twitter or look at porn when you are supposed to be doing schoolwork? Schools,businesses and many other places can have all the firewalls, net nannys and other **** they want, it is not your computer or internet connection.
    Im in 11th grade if you must ask and i was simply making a poll now take a chill pill or some roofies to knock you out so i dont have to see you type your rude opinions.
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