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haha who reads anymore?
Intelligent people.
haha who reads anymore?
no doubt, those are additional factors, but that they also exist does not disprove my assertion
actually, it is very much on topic. as i shared previously, my kids' work assignments and course work for their AP classes were web based. no access to the web, no opportunity to take the classes
if your presention had any relationship to reality, then there would be no reason for any computer to reside within a school room. but we know that is not the case
my wife is a retired teacher. i was an active tutor and my job caused me to have reason to interact with school systems across the state. i will agree with you to this point. the smart kids are smarter than ever. but a generation or two back, there were as many slow kids as smart kids and the great majority were average students. it seems now the slow kids are in the majority
that's great. obviously, while rural, they had two things that many other kids do not: parental support and economic sufficiency to cover their transportation needs. not so true for many of the underclass - those i have been speaking about
for some, you would be correct
but what about the many who are not lazy but are denied opportunities thru no fault of their own; does it not bother you that we are wasting their potential?
Yes with taking off the internet blocker you will definately see who is and who isnt a productive student. with the blockwers it makes projects harder for students to do with 90% of things on google blocked and it is a disadvantage to students who dont have access at home or are not close to a library.
So, basically, you're a kid whining about school policy.
There's a reason why school policies are set by adults, and not kids.
ok, enough suspense
what is that reason?
For the same reason the parents, not the kids, make the rules.
So, basically, you're a kid whining about school policy.
There's a reason why school policies are set by adults, and not kids.
still waiting for the reason
my policy is: Rules are made to be broken or there wouldnt have to be rules.
If it's not obvious, there's not much point in saying it. I do hope you're not serious.
And it's a childish "policy" which shows exactly why you need supervision. :roll:
The curriculum changes, and should do so appropriately as to adapt to the changing circumstances we live in.
As a student, you wont be able to survive in college without any type of exposure to a word processor or to internet browsing. Hell, just to be able to conduct an advanced search on a database would get you pretty far.
IMO, the problem isn't that computers are making kids dumber or lazier. The kids just haven't been properly exposed to the academic uses of the computer, they haven't been trained correctly (teacher's fault I suppose). They go home and they play games or socialize on the computer, they don't really go on there for studying. A lot of my students tell me that once they get home, the first thing they do is check facebook or myspace. It's their routine.
The solution is not to force the student to learn without the computer, but instead make them aware and understand that the computer can be used efficiently in the academic sphere. There's been a lot of teachers who are beginning to integrate technology with their pedagogy, as have I.
One of my ideas, which I am most proud of :mrgreen:, is having my students create a short video for their projects. They should use video editing software, which I can show them where to download for free if they don't have any, usually the ones with Macs already have them. The students who post on YouTube definitely have them already. The video itself can come in the form of a short film, a news report, dramatization, or documentary style, or whatever they can come up with. It's quite amazing. One year I had a group of students who made a music video. It wouldn't surprise me (anymore) if one year I get a group of students who created an computer animated film.
The research that they do for this project usually turns out pretty good. My (non-scientific) explanation is that they were enjoying the work that they were doing and didn't mind the researching. Motivation I think is key. And computers can be used as a huge motivational boost. I think it's useless to fight against the use of computers, as it's going to be part of our lifestyles as the TV became part of our lifestyles in the 30s.
Until the senior year, I don't think that kids have any need to be exposed to computers at all, except possibly for serious students in a technical course of study.
I also don't approve of cooks. janitors or sports programs in schools.
Call me old fashioned, although one would be better advized to call me Milord.
i am serious
you have not articulated a reason
I'll believe that when they start teaching numerical analysis and Fortran in high school as standard education.
You can have a typing class, as for browsing the internet, if you need lessons in that do humanity a favor and kill yourself. Seriously, who isn't going to "know" how to do that? Only the kids who can't afford the computer and internet; and apparently we don't give a rat's ass about them anyway. **** those kids, teach to the one's who can afford the technology.
I think people start relying on the technology as a crutch. A computer can be a very potentially powerful tool which allows you to do things which cannot be done any other way. The computational power allows for a lot of numerical analysis and theory which just cannot be done by hand. But in the academic setting below University (hell probably in University as well), it has become basically the electronic version of Cliff Notes.
I mean, it really depends on what it's being used for. I can see applications for math, but those applications where it becomes necessary (like inverse problems) are very advanced and typically well above the standard high school student. You can teach programing like C++, Fortran, Visual Basic, etc. and that would be a good use of the technology too. But things like photoshop or whatever that's all pointless crap people can do for fun on their own time. The only place I could even see that as applicable would be maybe some art class.
Things kinda like that have been around for a long time. I remember in high school doing video projects. It's not like it taught me to operate a video camera, but it was mostly stuff to do for fun in a class. I'm not sure if it's really teaching the true applications for the technology.
But it typically comes down to citing wikipedia. Which does not behoove anyone. People need to learn that wikipedia isn't a valid source. Yes, the computer can help in looking up articles and books; but you'll have to read those too. Not copy and past out of some googled thing.
I've seen the implementation of a lot of computer stuff on the University level. There is a lot of online homework for lower level physics classes; but that's usually done as a convenience for the professor. And even then, kids just tend to cheat. I think that's what's really be taught with a lot of the technology.
As an aside...the poll says there are 5 votes for "No" but I only see 3 names. Ikari can you run the numbers on Fortran and see if you can get an explanation? :mrgreen:
It doesn't take a Fortran program to say that people can vote when not logged in. In fact, even a simple experiment of logging out, clicking on this thread, and seeing if you can vote again would be simple enough to ferret out your answer. Did you really need me to spell it out for you?
I grew up alone i supervise myself thanks very much. I don't need a babysitter to tell me that there are morons on the internet ^^
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So are you doing this during lunch at school?I think the schools that use firewalls are to restrictive. i mean they even block images depending from the site. thats what i produce proxy sites for schools.
my policy is: Rules are made to be broken or there wouldnt have to be rules.