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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesrage
    Do you honestly think it is impossible for anyone to do this?
    I didn't grow up with those things, heck my mother didn't have a phone when me and my sisters were growing up, if we needed to make a phone call we get a quarter and walk down to the store or convenient store to make a phone call. .
    No, but I think that if you want to work in most jobs nowadays, a phone and the internet will make life near-infinitely easier. 'Back in my day' analogies are pointless here - as I said, the world changes.

    I am pretty sure that most children in the world who do go to school actually still know how to do math and other things without the aid of the internet,calculator that American kids today seem to take for granted. So no kids do not need internet access in schools.
    Where did I say 'need'? I'm just saying they benefit from it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari
    It's not always to make life easier. The internet for example was created for scientists to more efficiently share information. The computer has allowed for marked improvements and inquiry into science and math as well. There isn't necessarily anything wrong with increased technology, but it's not like kids are learning more. If anything, they're learning less. Hell this thread is testament to that. The whole purpose of evading the firewall is to access things like facebook and other useless time sinks. It's fine enough in moderation, but in the school setting it becomes a distraction.

    There's a difference between using a piece of technology and becoming overly dependent upon that technology. Technology can aid in many ways, but i you begin to teach to the technology then kids just stop learning. Why learn when you can google something and just plagiarize it? Computers are very powerful tools, but completely underutilized by the standard high school student. They aren't learning anything more advanced because of it.
    All of what you are saying is true, for a given value of 'true'. That is - it's very dependent on how a school implements it's use of computers and firewalls. There are plenty of examples where a computer has just been a distraction - but there are also plenty of cases where it has been incredibly helpful to use in a lesson.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    No to firewalls unless they can be intelligently administered...this may not be possible...
    The seniors in school should be exposed to the scum around them and must be taught how to handle this lowlife..
    The juniors??
    Also, I note in too many cases here and other sites where the English used is horrible.
    Maybe the schools should rid themselves of the computers and return to teaching English.

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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    i think thye should have them to an extent, but my school went nuts with firewalls, and you couldn't access anything more than wikipedia, and on the computers they went as far as to block right clicking.

    but if i was still at school, i would say no, 'cause it was so much funner to be playing flash games than doing work

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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
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    How old are you really? Are you still in middle school and pissed that you can't chat on myspace,make updates on twitter or look at porn when you are supposed to be doing schoolwork? Schools,businesses and many other places can have all the firewalls, net nannys and other **** they want, it is not your computer or internet connection.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Liability issues being what they are. Any well-run school is going to cover the butts and put a filter in place.

    As a parent though, I think they should be in place as well. They aren't perfect, but they are better than nothing. The best thing, of course, is effective supervision.

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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Absolutely there should be firewalls at schools.

    Schools are there for learning. They're not there for web surfing, for chatting, for social networking, for blogging, for foruming, or anything else of the sort. Does a firewall, generally one done poorly, potentially block educational material? Sure. However the educational material it blocks is generally rather small, especially compared to the material it leaves open AND when compared to the vast amount of non-educational things it manages to block.

    For every kid that could use the internet responsably during school there's 9 who would be using the lack of firewall for facebook, twitter, myspace, flash games, gossip sites, etc.

    Here'd be my question since you're using doing proxy stuff. The kids that use your proxy...do they use it to go to "educational" sites which are blocked by the firewall primarily, or are they using it to go to non-educational sites that are blocked?

    If the primary thing they're doing is the latter, then your argument at the beginning of this about how its keeping them from some educational material is worthless because its nothing but a front to keep from seeming like a very stereotypical high schooler going "grr, the mean school isn't letting me screw off".

    Not to mention, from the geeky side of me, it gives early practice to the enterprising Comp Sci students to learn how to use proxies.

    I was one of those kids that didn't like the mean school letting me screw off, especially when I had an elective in my senior year as a "library assistant" which really translated to "sit in the library for an hour doing whatever you want". So, learned about proxies, learned how to connect to proxies, got to play a MUD every day during school. Knowledge came in useful later for educational purposes in college

    But in a general sense...yes, high school computers should have firewalls.

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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Must be time to up my meds.


    I'm agreeing with Jamesrage.....

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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Sure. However the educational material it blocks is generally rather small, especially compared to the material it leaves open AND when compared to the vast amount of non-educational things it manages to block.
    You obviously never went to my school (and/or heard about the issues our filtering had). But who has? It was a tiny public school.

    It was terrible, and blocked out a large quantity of educational material - on the same level pretty much [quantity wise] as what non-educational material was blocked. You couldn't even search for material for a class project because the search term had a censored word in it.

    I wouldn't be so quick to generalize about filtering, since different implementations have different levels of success/failure.

    For every kid that could use the internet responsably during school there's 9 who would be using the lack of firewall for facebook, twitter, myspace, flash games, gossip sites, etc.
    I would be inclined to mostly agree, though in a part, proactive-ness on the part of a teacher(s), or librarian/assistant [when it occurs] can help a lot there.

    Here'd be my question since you're using doing proxy stuff. The kids that use your proxy...do they use it to go to "educational" sites which are blocked by the firewall primarily, or are they using it to go to non-educational sites that are blocked?
    Both actually, where I was at least.


    [/quote]If the primary thing they're doing is the latter, then your argument at the beginning of this about how its keeping them from some educational material is worthless...[/quote]

    I disagree. The fact that people use a proxy to access non-educational sites does NOT somehow outright negate the impact on educational computer/internet use that DOES occur with a [poorly implemented, at least] filter.

    Not to mention, from the geeky side of me, it gives early practice to the enterprising Comp Sci students to learn how to use proxies.


    Or find harmless workarounds, if like me. A simple batch script that was designed to access the command prompt [since my school blocked unauthorized EXEs, but not batch scripts, and blocked command prompt access, which made certain programming endeavors impossible] was enough to knock out the web filter... only learned that after my idiocy with telnet got me into a wee bit of trouble though. :P
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