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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Funny how kids 15 years ago didn't need those those for math and science.
    Not only that, but note the rapidly declining math and science education and one has to wonder why kids need anything above a calculator. Is basic algebra really that hard? IMO, every high school student should be required to take at least through pre-calculus. Though honestly, pre-calculus is a joke of a course and there's no reason why people can't just learn basic calculus in school.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Funny how kids 15 years ago didn't need those those for math and science.
    Try living/working without your internet connection or mobile phone for a week. Double points if you're a smartphone user.

    The world changes.

    As for firewalls; they're more or less a must, but can be really irritating if they aren't implimented well. There's lots on the internet, and schools would get in a looooad of trouble if they facilitated access to some of it.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    I say firewalls are a must for public computers. Some stuff needs to be behind closed bedroom doors.

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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    Try living/working without your internet connection or mobile phone for a week. Double points if you're a smartphone user.
    You don't actually need any of those. In some instances of professional life, they've been incorporated into it. But it's to expand on previously difficult or unobtainable tasks (and makes us more available for work even in our "off" times). But what kids are learning in school, especially as it relates to math and science for the most part, hasn't gotten more difficult. It's not like "Oh hey, here are computers....now we're going to learn about partial differential equations and numeric algorithms for solving inverse problems!". It's still mostly basic algebra. Only the elite move to take the harder sciences and math, and even then a good calculator will suffice.

    I'll grant the computer in terms of a word processor, but other than that it's not exactly necessary.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    I'll grant the computer in terms of a word processor, but other than that it's not exactly necessary.
    Oh, absolutely. But then, the purpose of technology has always been 'to make life easier', even if it sometimes fails at the task.

    We don't need computers to teach kids science. It's just that it helps, from time to time, to give kids internet access - especially with some of the more recent assessment methods, where doing research has been given much more prevelance.

    IT is just another tool. We don't need pens either, or whiteboards; we could make do with pencils and chalk.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    Try living/working without your internet connection or mobile phone for a week. Double points if you're a smartphone user.
    Do you honestly think it is impossible for anyone to do this?
    I didn't grow up with those things, heck my mother didn't have a phone when me and my sisters were growing up, if we needed to make a phone call we get a quarter and walk down to the store or convenient store to make a phone call. .



    The world changes.
    I am pretty sure that most children in the world who do go to school actually still know how to do math and other things without the aid of the internet,calculator that American kids today seem to take for granted. So no kids do not need internet access in schools.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    It's not always to make life easier. The internet for example was created for scientists to more efficiently share information. The computer has allowed for marked improvements and inquiry into science and math as well. There isn't necessarily anything wrong with increased technology, but it's not like kids are learning more. If anything, they're learning less. Hell this thread is testament to that. The whole purpose of evading the firewall is to access things like facebook and other useless time sinks. It's fine enough in moderation, but in the school setting it becomes a distraction.

    There's a difference between using a piece of technology and becoming overly dependent upon that technology. Technology can aid in many ways, but i you begin to teach to the technology then kids just stop learning. Why learn when you can google something and just plagiarize it? Computers are very powerful tools, but completely underutilized by the standard high school student. They aren't learning anything more advanced because of it.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am pretty sure that most children in the world who do go to school actually still know how to do math and other things without the aid of the internet,calculator that American kids today seem to take for granted. So no kids do not need internet access in schools.
    I don't know. I keep seeing the new classes of freshman into University and they seem to get dumber each and every year.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    "Sirrah," is a term of condescention, so it couldn't be used to address me, obvioulsy.

    I used to think as your do, and you're position has merit. But when I'm in schools, I generally see the kids using flash games that are pruported to be educational. In other words, the computers seem to be glorified toys.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    In other words, the computers seem to be glorified toys.
    I think we have ourselves a winner!
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