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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Funny how kids 15 years ago didn't need those those for math and science.
    15 years ago you didn't need computer skills for lots of things that you do now. That's the point.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You don't actually need any of those. In some instances of professional life, they've been incorporated into it. But it's to expand on previously difficult or unobtainable tasks (and makes us more available for work even in our "off" times). But what kids are learning in school, especially as it relates to math and science for the most part, hasn't gotten more difficult. It's not like "Oh hey, here are computers....now we're going to learn about partial differential equations and numeric algorithms for solving inverse problems!". It's still mostly basic algebra. Only the elite move to take the harder sciences and math, and even then a good calculator will suffice.

    I'll grant the computer in terms of a word processor, but other than that it's not exactly necessary.
    Computers can be such a wonderful research tool. Not only are their incredible sites for students on the Internet but so much more information can be stored at a school using the computer. Yes, I know back in the day we used books and we liked it and kids should still have the skills to find a book(using a computerized card catalog) and then looking in the book(maybe using the index) to find the needed information. It would, however, be silly to eliminate the Internet and all computer use from their research.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    15 years ago you didn't need computer skills for lots of things that you do now. That's the point.
    Exactly 15 years ago computers were newer. alot of people didnt have them. nowadays lots of people use and need them.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    15 years ago you didn't need computer skills for lots of things that you do now.
    Those things can be taught in a separate class.
    They are still not necessary for school subjects like math,science,reading and etc that have been done with books and paper or the use of a school library.


    That's the point..
    The point of this thread is because some little kid is throwing a tantrum because his school thinks he shouldn't be allowed to chat on myspace or look at porn while at school, so he is bitching about the filter settings his school chooses to use.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Those things can be taught in a separate class.
    They are still not necessary for school subjects like math,science,reading and etc that have been done with books and paper or the use of a school library.
    I could wash my clothes on a rock but that doesn't make it the best way. I recently heard that when students step into a classroom they step back in time. Not all of a student's time should be spent on a computer but a lot of great learning can happen there. One of the best ways to get a student to remember something is to attach it to something he or she already knows. These kids know technology. Why not attach the other things we want them to learn to what they know about technology? Take a science project. In my day we would have constructed our experiment and maybe a nice poster with hand drawings and hand written information. Now a student can accompany that same experiment with a power point presentation complete with video and graphs. This student is developing skills he or she is likely to need in the workplace.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    [FONT="Georgia"]I could wash my clothes on a rock but that doesn't make it the best way.
    Not the same thing.
    I recently heard that when students step into a classroom they step back in time.
    No they don't.

    Not all of a student's time should be spent on a computer but a lot of great learning can happen there. One of the best ways to get a student to remember something is to attach it to something he or she already knows. These kids know technology.
    Thats what extra curricular classes are for.

    Why not attach the other things we want them to learn to what they know about technology? Take a science project. In my day we would have constructed our experiment and maybe a nice poster with hand drawings and hand written information. Now a student can accompany that same experiment with a power point presentation complete with video and graphs. This student is developing skills he or she is likely to need in the workplace.
    Shouldn't the science project be about science not pretty printed charts,power point presentations and videos?
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Shouldn't the science project be about science not pretty printed charts,power point presentations and videos?
    Who said it wasn't? The charts and graphs is the presentation of said science.

    What is it that you oppose about this exactly? So far you haven't presenting anything as a counter-argument other than "it is not necessary". Is there something wrong with integrating technology into lesson plans that you are displeased with?
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Not the same thing.

    No they don't.
    Great counterargument. Did it take awhile to come up with that? Students do exactly that. They go back to methods and technologies that are no longer in use in the real world. Some of this is necessary as a foundation for what they need to know. For example they do need to be able to do math without a calculator but they also need to know what is being used in college and the real world. Much of this "step back in time" is caused by a lack of funding and a lack of knowledge or fear of the teacher's on how to use the latest hardware/software.
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Thats what extra curricular classes are for.



    Shouldn't the science project be about science not pretty printed charts,power point presentations and videos?
    The science project is about science. I never said the charts etc. should replace the experiment but why not have the student create something interesting. This would not only increase their interest but also the interest of those students looking at the project.

    I don't understand why you would not want students to have all the best tools for their education. I know that sometimes fancy extras can take the place of real learning and of course that should be avoided. I also see know reason for students to experience the education we did 20 years ago. Just because it was "good enough for us" doesn't make it good enough for them.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Not the same thing.

    No they don't.



    Thats what extra curricular classes are for.



    Shouldn't the science project be about science not pretty printed charts,power point presentations and videos?

    The science can be explained easier through charts powerpoints and videos as well as a hands on instruction. i have yet to see a decent counter argument to this whole point. some people have said a few good things though.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    15 years ago you didn't need computer skills for lots of things that you do now. That's the point.
    Certainly, but with technology (and interpreting Moore's Law liberally), being able to figure out which technological trends will be used as the building blocks of future efforts and which others will be tossed aside is a bit of a guessing game for educators and technology enthusiasts alike. And you do have a point that educators can be "behind the times", ignorant, or flat out angry neo-Luddites. Nevertheless, there is likewise a tendency to think technology will save everything, or perhaps more modestly, become the future approach and replace traditional methods of learning or job training, when in fact, technology is not the be-all-end-all approach. A lot of the time, more traditional methods are recommended. People need to be mindful of history, while maintaining optimism as well as skepticism about future developments.

    Right now we are in transition period, as far as I can tell. Programs like Mathmatica, and so on, are useful, but at the same time, not entirely certain if it will be a necessity in the future. Online research is certainly improving, but the publishing industry is either in reactionary mode or is unable to find a particularly good business model in this "Information Age" where a great many people expect information to be free and open. Educators on the whole have and probably will always be technologically deficient no matter how often they go through training seminars.

    I have always been an enthusiast of high technology, but at the same time, I think a healthy dose of skepticism should remain.

    Again, Firewalls are a security godsend, but likewise cause problems. Content-control software are also a godsend, but also cause problems. As technology progresses, algorithms improve, and customer satisfaction grows. Then, of course, newer developments cause problems for blocking software, but that is to be expected. These are necessary evils.
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