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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

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    I was under the impression an attempt at getting personal information from posters was against the rules. Am I wrong?

    However no inadequacies here if that is what you're getting at. How about yourself? Get a little testy at an innocuous jousting of your ego after you left yourself open with that statement? What do you do when someone seriously calls you out, go cry in the corner?
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    True, but that doesn't mean you're going to get access to that site. For instance in my earlier example about that YouTube video I wanted to show...Even as a teacher I was not able to get access to YouTube because even though I'm using it for academic reasons, my access to YouTube would also include access to the "inappropriate" materials as well. So my request was denied.

    Not a huge deal though.
    I'm on the Admin side of the district and while I can access things that some teachers cannot, there are sites like YouTube that are blocked - yes.

    However, I have requested (with a lot more success than I would have guessed, actually) that specific urls be unblocked and they have been able to provide that.

    Anyway, I'm like you.. not a huge deal. It's frustrating when I get the splash of "ACCESS DENIED" and the ever telling, "This request has been logged".
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    If anyone thinks there shouldn't be firewalls and filters on school computers try this experiment: go to google, search any woman's name in "images" and then turn "safe search" off and see what pops up. Or even something more benign: put in the initials of this forum.

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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    If anyone thinks there shouldn't be firewalls and filters on school computers try this experiment: go to google, search any woman's name in "images" and then turn "safe search" off and see what pops up. Or even something more benign: put in the initials of this forum.
    I did that once. Googled my actual full name and pics of a porn star came up.

    My former bosshole googled 'popcorn' once and was amazed at the *ahem* things that popped up.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by hungry_hungry_hippo View Post
    Agreed, but firewalls also block plenty of useful sites.
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    you never went to my school then, all we had was wikipedia or a government search engine that found mostly wikipedia articles
    As I said earlier in this thread.

    If a road that should probably be 35 MPH (so safe at that speed, despite probably being able to go a bit faster for most people) is given a speed limit of 15 MPH the answer to "fix" that problem isn't to just get rid of the speed limit all together, its to bump it up to 35 MPH.

    If a schools administrator is doing so poorly with his firewall or websense that he's blocking more useful sites than unuseful ten that is an issue of being too broad and thus having more harm than benefit. The answer to this is to FIX the firewall so that the benefit outweighs the harm, not remove the firewall completely.

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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by hungry_hungry_hippo View Post
    Agreed, but firewalls also block plenty of useful sites.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    If anyone thinks there shouldn't be firewalls and filters on school computers try this experiment: go to google, search any woman's name in "images" and then turn "safe search" off and see what pops up. Or even something more benign: put in the initials of this forum.
    XD haha that is true. but being the OP i am suprised to have gotten so many looks and replies on this thread it amazes me on how many posts there are i didnt expect over 100
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iwa View Post
    XD haha that is true. but being the OP i am suprised to have gotten so many looks and replies on this thread it amazes me on how many posts there are i didnt expect over 100
    Iwa, this isn't an instant messanger, "XD" kind of sticks out. This is more of a political forum, hence the name "Debate Politics Forum."
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No harm in using a book reference in a report



    You know what those are, right? Books? No not facebook...keep thinking....
    There was something unattractive about books. Back then it was keyword search is heaven, indexes are hell.

    For me, now it is indexes awesome, internet nearly useless, save for base of basic information for me to be skeptical of nearly everything from the get-go.

    But I suppose we need to keep alive the idea that the internet is full of wonderful information for the child to surf through on their own, even though they either do not understand how or they simply do not believe that the internet mostly contains trash.

    Oh don't get me wrong, I have read plenty of bad books (a lot of them), but the internet is full of content that is clearly influenced from trash print material, but is spread without enough consideration of the sources. Study a subject long enough, you can go into the internet, and without finding any references from said internet site, you should be able to figure out which crappy book they got the information from.

    Anyways, firewalls are certainly useful. It is simply idiotic to suggest to me that that many computers should be opened up to that much risk (I'm not talking about offensive content, I'm thinking security). Now, content blockers like Net Nanny or whatever else is still out there anymore, are flawed, and always will be. Nevertheless, I got through my frustration (and yes, I goofed off on the net in mid to late 90s, and early part of the new century) and did what I could not at my own home. The data excuse never really held up to me, because I knew well enough that most of us were not going to use these things to do research on our own in the school. We liked to wait a while before doing homework anyway. If a special topic came up, the instructor could usually help or the local library was a perfect substitute.

    The arguments against blocking software are valid, but only to a point. There is a tendency for people to exaggerate the level of dependency the educators and the students have with needing blocked data right there on the internet at school.
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    Re: Should School computers have firewalls?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iwa View Post
    I think the schools that use firewalls are to restrictive. i mean they even block images depending from the site. thats what i produce proxy sites for schools.
    I've taught at a school with a very restrictive firewall and it did limit the educational uses of the Internet. For example, students could not access major political parties websites or anything medical. It was also frustrating for teachers because all shopping was blocked so as a band director I could shop for music or supplies for my band. Of course, we did have students finding ways around it. We have a better firewall now which restricts the students from social pages and truly inappropriate content but is less restrictive for the teachers.

    Some sort of filter needs to be in place to keep students away from social networking sites and content that is inappropriate for school.
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