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Do you have a conceal and carry license?

Do you have a conceal and carry permit?


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.50 cal? what are you afraid of? Being mugged by a Rhino?

For yourself, I'd say a small frame .38 revolver would be best. Decent enough calibre and they have a tendency not to jam. Plus if you need more than six shots, you are in serious bother.
If you are talking about CCW you need to be able to conceal it. In order to do that you need to think about what you wear. And a large gun means a severe restriction on wardrobe choice.
And forget about carrying it in your handbag. Ever try finding your keys quickly in one of those?

I'd add that you should save your pennies for a box of frangibles (more expensive) if you are going to keep it loaded in the home. You can use cheaper rounds at the range during practice.

But most importantly, don't trust anything you hear (even from the likes of me). Take a class in firearms safety and handling.
Ask questions.


I've already taken a class in firearms safety and handling (hunter's safety). I was only trying out that gun because it looked like fun. :mrgreen:
 
Really though, shot placement is key, moreso than any distinctions about caliber or bullet type. A 9mm through the "golden triangle" (the triangle formed by the brow-ridges and the chin) is better than a .454 Casul through the gut.




This is absoluty true... :thumbs:



failure drills, NSR's, need to be drilled into muscle memory....
 
A Smith J-frame, 5 shot .38spl, is still one of the most widely carried concealed weapons. It is adequate for most purposes.
Which is why I suggested same. It does the job and it's a good novice pistol.

A 9mm would be a step up in effectiveness. There is a pricey but first-rate option, the Rohrbaugh R9, which is truly tiny and very lightweight but has six or seven rounds of 9mm. I consider the improvement in ballistics to be worth it, but the J-frame .38 would be a good "starter concealed-carry gun".
That's the issue. I took from GND's post that she was starting on a budget.

I carry a compact .40 on a daily basis, but that's just my personal preference.
I don't even own one anymore.
 
Which is why I suggested same. It does the job and it's a good novice pistol.


That's the issue. I took from GND's post that she was starting on a budget.


I don't even own one anymore.




If this is for self defense, one must come to the understanding just how much ones life is worth....



I don't buy the cheap parachute. :shrug:
 
Incorrect, the .38 is anemic, and you have the rest of your life to win a gunfight, therefore, one should not count on only being in less than a "serious bother"..
The .38 round is fine in most scenarios one would be likely to face. The properties are not as good as the .357 .40 or .45 but the extra effectiveness of the larger round is just that. extra.

.45 what I reccomend and what I run, anything less is a compromise.
Not if the .45 doesn't suit. Or comes in a frame one isn't comfortable with, or can't conceal very well.



I can conceal a full framed 1911 with a tac light under t-shirt and jeans. :shrug:
Any good under a cocktail dress (I mean the gun, not you) a business suit, skirt combo, all the other things a lady might find herself wearing. Point being that the GND may not be in a position to wear jeans and a T. in her day to day. Or want to spring for an expensive rig to conceal. - Best go for a firearm that you can conceal anywhere. That way one always has it with you.






There are specific handbags for this purpose.
$$$
And come not between a lady and her bag. Best stay out of that whooooole subject.

Be told.





frangables suck. If you want to use something like that, Glazer saftey slugs, but even then, there will be times you might just want to shoot through that sheetrock.
Like when? When is it a good idea to be able to shoot through walls in a home or apartment?






This is but step one. a "firearms saftey and handling" class does not teach you how to shoot, nor does it teach you how to fight with your handgun....
It does over here. And the reason I advised such a course is to request that she gets first hand knowldege from people in person. I mean I could be anyone up to and including a 14 yo girl for all the lady knows.
 
The .38 round is fine in most scenarios one would be likely to face. The properties are not as good as the .357 .40 or .45 but the extra effectiveness of the larger round is just that. extra.



You have the rest of your life to win a gunfight.... I don't consider extra ballistics "extra"....



Not if the .45 doesn't suit. Or comes in a frame one isn't comfortable with, or can't conceal very well.


Like I said, I can conceal a full framed .45 if I need to.... There are other options...


Reducing caliber for convienence is not a compromise I am willing to make.



Any good under a cocktail dress (I mean the gun, not you) a business suit, skirt combo, all the other things a lady might find herself wearing. Point being that the GND may not be in a position to wear jeans and a T. in her day to day. Or want to spring for an expensive rig to conceal. - Best go for a firearm that you can conceal anywhere. That way one always has it with you.


:lol: if she doesn't want to "spring for an expensive rig" then she has no business wanting to CC....


This is not a compromise thing... If you need to carry a smaller weapon in your cocktail dress then by all means select the appropriate tool, however, its a severe compromise in effectiveness.


$$$
And come not between a lady and her bag. Best stay out of that whooooole subject.

Be told.


Not really and these work well:


Concealment Purses - GlockStore.com


plenty of options that are not too expensive.


Like when? When is it a good idea to be able to shoot through walls in a home or apartment?



When your intruder, rapist, aggressor, fails to understand the difference between concealment and cover.



If he can shoot through sheetrock, and you can not, you are at a disadvantage.


Remember you have the rest of your life to win a gunfight, prepare accordingly.









It does over here. And the reason I advised such a course is to request that she gets first hand knowldege from people in person. I mean I could be anyone up to and including a 14 yo girl for all the lady knows.




Really, they teach you how to fight and defend yourself with a handgun?



tell me about some of the drills you do.
 
if she doesn't want to "spring for an expensive rig" then she has no business wanting to CC....

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:Oopsie :no:

It is with great sadness, etc etc, disagree with the awesomeness/Rev, etc etc. :mrgreen:

Just because someone has a budget they have to live within is no reason they should not concealed carry. :yes:

A .38 J-frame, used with skill and deliberation, can save your life... and is a damn sight better than throwing rocks or putting your keys between your fingers!

Granted, a better gun would be a step up... but I'd rather she buy the Smith J-frame and then spend a couple-three hundred on some decent training, than go into hock for an expensive gun she maybe can't afford to shoot much. Don't be a .45 snob Rev.

:prof The right to self defense is not dependent on your budget!
 
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It is with great sadness, etc etc, disagree with the awesomeness/Rev, etc etc. :mrgreen:

Just because someone has a budget they have to live within is no reason they should not concealed carry. :yes:

A .38 J-frame, used with skill and deliberation, can save your life... and is a damn sight better than throwing rocks or putting your keys between your fingers!

Granted, a better gun would be a step up... but I'd rather she buy the Smith J-frame and then spend a couple-three hundred on some decent training, than go into hock for an expensive gun she maybe can't afford to shoot much. Don't be a .45 snob Rev.

:prof The right to self defense is not dependent on your budget!





I agree. My point being that if one has the means, one shouldn't skimp out on thier choice for self defense..... ;)
 
You are correct. I'm not familiar with that type as I'm not licensed for that calibre.
You have to get different licenses based on caliber? Interesting.
 
Rev said:
TGND, look for classes by the likes of Randy Cain, and others that will teach you how to fight with a gun. far to many gunowners think slapping that CC on the counter and walking home with a gun is a defense strategy..... PM me and tell me where you are located and I can hook you up with a competant defense instructor.


Will do. Thanks.
 
This country is far too interested in guns as a means of self-defense. Honestly, I feel more comfortable with my Benchmade 42 (Butterfly Knife) then I do with a handgun.

If your going to be serious about self-defense, take an Aikido class, and grab some OC Spray, or a collapsible baton. From personal experience, a Gun can be a Huge liability. Merely drawing it means you have to fear for your life, or those who are around you. In most situations, a well rounded education in defensive martial arts, and less than lethal options, actually bring a lot more options to the table. Also means less time in front of a judge, with people scrutinizing all the actions you took.
 
This country is far too interested in guns as a means of self-defense. Honestly, I feel more comfortable with my Benchmade 42 (Butterfly Knife) then I do with a handgun.

If your going to be serious about self-defense, take an Aikido class, and grab some OC Spray, or a collapsible baton. From personal experience, a Gun can be a Huge liability. Merely drawing it means you have to fear for your life, or those who are around you. In most situations, a well rounded education in defensive martial arts, and less than lethal options, actually bring a lot more options to the table. Also means less time in front of a judge, with people scrutinizing all the actions you took.

except when your assailant pulls a .45...
 
It still puts a grin on my face, when I see people trying so hard to be PC. --Just speak your mind, and let the cards fall where they may. Worrying about hurting peoples tender little feeling is a no win situation. Each attempt at appeasement, only makes their feeling more tender. People need to learn to get over their wimpy selves, if they plan to be around long in this dog eat dog world.
 
It still puts a grin on my face, when I see people trying so hard to be PC. --Just speak your mind, and let the cards fall where they may. Worrying about hurting peoples tender little feeling is a no win situation. Each attempt at appeasement, only makes their feeling more tender. People need to learn to get over their wimpy selves, if they plan to be around long in this dog eat dog world.

:confused: What are you talking about, Skateguy?
 
The fascists socialist city is even worse regarding gun laws. :lol:

Right. The peons must not be armed. Only Lord Daley and his minions shall have the power of coercion.
 
This country is far too interested in guns as a means of self-defense. Honestly, I feel more comfortable with my Benchmade 42 (Butterfly Knife) then I do with a handgun.

If your going to be serious about self-defense, take an Aikido class, and grab some OC Spray, or a collapsible baton. From personal experience, a Gun can be a Huge liability. Merely drawing it means you have to fear for your life, or those who are around you. In most situations, a well rounded education in defensive martial arts, and less than lethal options, actually bring a lot more options to the table. Also means less time in front of a judge, with people scrutinizing all the actions you took.

As I've said in other threads, a gun is not a magic wand. You need to have skills and the ability to make tactical judgements.

At close quarters other weapons are just as effective, such as knives.

However, there are some problems with a self-defense plan that excludes firearms.

Just for background, I used to be a martial arts instructor. I still teach short-course hand-to-hand, as well as knives, guns and impact weapons.

It is good to be well-rounded, and a martial arts background helps. However there are situations where only a firearm will give you a reasonable chance of coming out in one piece. If the **** starts more than 5-10' distance and the other guy has a gun, you're in trouble if you don't have a gun of your own. Multiple attackers are another problem... most street criminals work in pairs, some work in gangs of 3 or 4 or more. Home invasions is another scenario where guns are the only thing likely to give you a decent chance.

About knives... knives have their uses, but many drawbacks. Don't fool yourself - a knife is EVERY BIT as much a lethal weapon in the eyes of the law as a 9mm Glock. As far as the law is concerned there is no such thing as "less lethal" use of a knife. In many districts knives are viewed as the weapons of thugs, and their use may taint a self-defense claim in the eyes of the jury.
Knife vs Knife is a good way to get killed. An old Kali master once said "the winner of a knife fight is the guy who dies the next day." You typically won't emerge from a knife vs knife fight with a whole skin, at best.
In any case, the way knives are mostly used in reality is either as a threat to gain compliance, or as a weapon of stealthy murder or assassination. Knife vs knife fights are rare; they mean somebody screwed up because most of the time a criminal actually uses a knife it is meant to be an ambush or assassination.

Aikido is useful but it generally won't save your bacon against multiple attackers armed with knives, clubs or guns... or even unarmed multiple attackers. I don't care how easy O-sensei made it look in randori, multiple attackers can kick the crap out of you unless you're both good and lucky.

The most effective tool for personal self-defense is the handgun, period. Granted, along with it you need training, skills, judgement, self-restraint and a cool head, but when you need a gun you typically need one bad.
 
This country is far too interested in guns as a means of self-defense. Honestly, I feel more comfortable with my Benchmade 42 (Butterfly Knife) then I do with a handgun.

If your going to be serious about self-defense, take an Aikido class, and grab some OC Spray, or a collapsible baton. From personal experience, a Gun can be a Huge liability. Merely drawing it means you have to fear for your life, or those who are around you. In most situations, a well rounded education in defensive martial arts, and less than lethal options, actually bring a lot more options to the table. Also means less time in front of a judge, with people scrutinizing all the actions you took.





If you are serious about self defense, do not take an Aikido class... Uke's in the real world are far less cooperative. ;)
 
I have a CCW license and rarely carry-have a 40 locked in a quick access box in the trunk and an airweight smith 38 in the glove box. I almost always carry a spyderco or CRKT knife and I have had lots of knife training. We have an armed security guard in our office so I don't carry there.

I have also helped teach dozens of CCW classes and have taught many many people how to shoot including a boy who never shot before he entered the USNA at Annapolis. His graduation present from me was to teach him how to shoot the M16 and the M9 and he qualified expert in both
 
If you are serious about self defense, do not take an Aikido class... Uke's in the real world are far less cooperative. ;)

Gracie Juijitsu or TDI CQC training is far better.
 
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