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Do you have a conceal and carry license?

Do you have a conceal and carry permit?


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Taking a class is a great idea. It's not required in this state (Georgia) to get one though. Because of my work, I have to go to a class and shoot the Beretta 9mm handgun every two years.

I'd ask what line of work you're in... but I'm afraid. :afraid: I can't remember the caliber of handgun (I want to say it was a S&W 500, .50 cal) I shot a little over a week ago, but it killed my hand. I really thought I had 'man hands'.. but after that, I'm thinkin' not so much.
 
I'd ask what line of work you're in... but I'm afraid. :afraid: I can't remember the caliber of handgun (I want to say it was a S&W 500, .50 cal) I shot a little over a week ago, but it killed my hand. I really thought I had 'man hands'.. but after that, I'm thinkin' not so much.

I don't carry one, I just have access to handguns just in case of emergencies. If I had to carry one, I would have to shoot more often than that.

I do have my own 9mm handgun at home (but again, just in case of emergencies).
 
I'd ask what line of work you're in... but I'm afraid. :afraid: I can't remember the caliber of handgun (I want to say it was a S&W 500, .50 cal) I shot a little over a week ago, but it killed my hand. I really thought I had 'man hands'.. but after that, I'm thinkin' not so much.
A S&W Model 500 would kill about anyone's hand.

That's what I want for Christmas this year, by the way. Just so y'all know ...
 
A S&W Model 500 would kill about anyone's hand.

I actually had a good size bruise on the area between my thumb and forefinger in the meaty part of my hand. It clashed with my nail polish.

That's what I want for Christmas this year, by the way. Just so y'all know ...

Oh sure... I'll send it UPS, okay? :mrgreen:
 
I'd ask what line of work you're in... but I'm afraid. :afraid: I can't remember the caliber of handgun (I want to say it was a S&W 500, .50 cal) I shot a little over a week ago, but it killed my hand. I really thought I had 'man hands'.. but after that, I'm thinkin' not so much.
.50 cal? what are you afraid of? Being mugged by a Rhino?

For yourself, I'd say a small frame .38 revolver would be best. Decent enough calibre and they have a tendency not to jam. Plus if you need more than six shots, you are in serious bother.
If you are talking about CCW you need to be able to conceal it. In order to do that you need to think about what you wear. And a large gun means a severe restriction on wardrobe choice.
And forget about carrying it in your handbag. Ever try finding your keys quickly in one of those?

I'd add that you should save your pennies for a box of frangibles (more expensive) if you are going to keep it loaded in the home. You can use cheaper rounds at the range during practice.

But most importantly, don't trust anything you hear (even from the likes of me). Take a class in firearms safety and handling.
Ask questions.
 
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.50 cal? what are you afraid of? Being mugged by a Rhino?

For yourself, I'd say a small frame .38 revolver would be best. Decent enough calibre and they have a tendency not to jam. Plus if you need more than six shots, you are in serious bother.



Incorrect, the .38 is anemic, and you have the rest of your life to win a gunfight, therefore, one should not count on only being in less than a "serious bother"..


.45 what I reccomend and what I run, anything less is a compromise.



Personally, I carry either a full framed Kimber 1911, or a compact 1911, Though those require more maintenence than most people are ready for....

HK usp series, para ord, etc, are all good. I run kimbers.

Stay away from glocks. I hate glocks and make no apologies about it.





If you are talking about CCW you need to be able to conceal it. In order to do that you need to think about what you wear. And a large gun means a severe restriction on wardrobe choice.


I can conceal a full framed 1911 with a tac light under t-shirt and jeans. :shrug:



And forget about carrying it in your handbag. Ever try finding your keys quickly in one of those?


There are specific handbags for this purpose.


I'd add that you should save your pennies for a box of frangibles (more expensive) if you are going to keep it loaded in the home. You can use cheaper rounds at the range during practice.


No.


frangables suck. If you want to use something like that, Glazer saftey slugs, but even then, there will be times you might just want to shoot through that sheetrock.



But most importantly, don't trust anything you hear (even from the likes of me). Take a class in firearms safety and handling.
Ask questions.


This is but step one. a "firearms saftey and handling" class does not teach you how to shoot, nor does it teach you how to fight with your handgun....



TGND, look for classes by the likes of Randy Cain, and others that will teach you how to fight with a gun. far to many gunowners think slapping that CC on the counter and walking home with a gun is a defense strategy..... PM me and tell me where you are located and I can hook you up with a competant defense instructor.



As a point of reference, and others can vouch, I have taught and trained both pistol and carbine CQB for years. I am an assistant instructor (very part time/volunteer) for a very well known weapons training company. We teach LEO, .mil, conractors, and civillians.....
 
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I might be wrong (and I don't think I am) but I'm pretty sure he just accused goobieman of being a liberal. :rofl:rofl:rofl
A certain sign that he isnt paying -any- attention at all.
:mrgreen:
 
For yourself, I'd say a small frame .38 revolver would be best. Decent enough calibre and they have a tendency not to jam. Plus if you need more than six shots, you are in serious bother.
Minor point, but the S&W Model 500 carries only five rounds if memory serves.
 
.45 what I reccomend and what I run, anything less is a compromise.



Personally, I carry either a full framed Kimber 1911, or a compact 1911, Though those require more maintenence than most people are ready for.... I can conceal a full framed 1911 with a tac light under t-shirt and jeans. :shrug:
I'm no expert, but I love my Colt 1911. The Thompson-LaGarde tests were enough to convince me. I just have to figure out how to carry one like you do. I have a Fobus paddle holster that I like to pack in the small of the back, but it is obvious to anyone that I'm carrying, plus it's impossible to drive around with that jamming me in the back.
 
I'm no expert, but I love my Colt 1911. The Thompson-LaGarde tests were enough to convince me. I just have to figure out how to carry one like you do. I have a Fobus paddle holster that I like to pack in the small of the back, but it is obvious to anyone that I'm carrying, plus it's impossible to drive around with that jamming me in the back.



You need a better holster. ;) Try sparks, Rosen, Brigade gunleather.


Small of the back at the right angle and carry ita bit higher... and it's not obvious as you think. ;)
 
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You need a better holster. ;) Try sparks, Rosen, Brigade gunleather.


Small of the back at the right angle and carry ita bit higher... and it's not obvious as you think. ;)
Thanks, I will look into it.
 
.50 cal? what are you afraid of? Being mugged by a Rhino?

For yourself, I'd say a small frame .38 revolver would be best. Decent enough calibre and they have a tendency not to jam. Plus if you need more than six shots, you are in serious bother.
If you are talking about CCW you need to be able to conceal it. In order to do that you need to think about what you wear. And a large gun means a severe restriction on wardrobe choice.
And forget about carrying it in your handbag. Ever try finding your keys quickly in one of those?

I'd add that you should save your pennies for a box of frangibles (more expensive) if you are going to keep it loaded in the home. You can use cheaper rounds at the range during practice.

But most importantly, don't trust anything you hear (even from the likes of me). Take a class in firearms safety and handling.
Ask questions.

A Smith J-frame, 5 shot .38spl, is still one of the most widely carried concealed weapons. It is adequate for most purposes.

A 9mm would be a step up in effectiveness. There is a pricey but first-rate option, the Rohrbaugh R9, which is truly tiny and very lightweight but has six or seven rounds of 9mm. I consider the improvement in ballistics to be worth it, but the J-frame .38 would be a good "starter concealed-carry gun".

I carry a compact .40 on a daily basis, but that's just my personal preference.
 
A Smith J-frame, 5 shot .38spl, is still one of the most widely carried concealed weapons. It is adequate for most purposes.
I used to carry one of those all the time until I left it in my truck and it was stolen. :doh That is a lovely piece, though. My only issue with it is that the stock grip is too short, and/or my hands are too big. I had to spend a couple of bucks and get a custom grip before I could feel comfortable shooting it.
 
I carry a compact .40 on a daily basis, but that's just my personal preference.
I have 4" S&W M620.
It does not conceal well w/o the proper clothes, but is another otherwise great gun.
 
Incorrect, the .38 is anemic, and you have the rest of your life to win a gunfight, therefore, one should not count on only being in less than a "serious bother"..


.45 what I reccomend and what I run, anything less is a compromise.



Personally, I carry either a full framed Kimber 1911, or a compact 1911, Though those require more maintenence than most people are ready for....

HK usp series, para ord, etc, are all good. I run kimbers.

Stay away from glocks. I hate glocks and make no apologies about it.


Though it saddens me beyond all measure, I must disagree with the awesomeness that is the Good Reverend. :mrgreen:

A .38spl is pretty much the lower end of effective self-defense rounds, but it isn't really all that far behind the ubiquitously-popular 9mm in ballistics.

I like 1911's, but the average shooter is going have some issues. You either have to carry cocked-and-locked, which some people dislike, or you have to train yourself to chamber on the drawstroke, which I consider too much wasted time.

Yes, there are some compact 1911's that are reasonably small and not TOO heavy, but they are not the easiest things to conceal. The average CCW carrier may not pack their piece if it is too inconvenient... and a .38 in the pocket is way better than a .45 you left at home because "you were just running to the store and didn't want to bother..."

Just sayin'... I know a lot of guys that are 1911 advocates, but not many of them actually conceal a 1911 on their person on a daily basis. The really really serious shooters, yes... like a guy I know who trains SWAT. Joe Average, generally not so much.

The ballistics and real-world-shooting-reports on the effectiveness of the 9mm, .357 magnum, .40 and .45 do differ, but they don't differ dramatically. A quality hollowpoint in any of those calibers, with proper shot placement, will do the job nicely.

I know some people don't like Glocks, but a heck of a lot of us do. They're good guns, they shoot straight and run reliably. The only thing I don't like about them for CCW is the thickness of the grip; makes concealment harder.

A lot of the serious pro's are going to the S&W M&P 9mm, especially the compact model for CCW. I shot one recently and am considering a purchase.






I can conceal a full framed 1911 with a tac light under t-shirt and jeans. :shrug:

It can be done with a quality holster, yes...but I'll bet you have to watch how you bend and stretch, yes?


frangables suck. If you want to use something like that, Glazer saftey slugs, but even then, there will be times you might just want to shoot through that sheetrock.

Glazers are good for times when overpenetration is a serious issue...but mostly I'd just stick with a good JHP, like Cor-bon gold-dots.






As a point of reference, and others can vouch, I have taught and trained both pistol and carbine CQB for years. I am an assistant instructor (very part time/volunteer) for a very well known weapons training company. We teach LEO, .mil, conractors, and civillians.....

Holy cow, we may have met at some point and didn't know it... ever work with Vickers or Hackathorne?
 
Though it saddens me beyond all measure, I must disagree with the awesomeness that is the Good Reverend. en:


That's ok, I once disagreed with myself, just to see what it felt like to be "wrong"..... :mrgreen:


A .38spl is pretty much the lower end of effective self-defense rounds, but it isn't really all that far behind the ubiquitously-popular 9mm in ballistics.


I still think both are compromises.....compared to both the .40 and the .45




I like 1911's, but the average shooter is going have some issues. You either have to carry cocked-and-locked, which some people dislike, or you have to train yourself to chamber on the drawstroke, which I consider too much wasted time.

I think "cocked and locked" is still far safer than "glocked"... ;)


once you get comfortable with cocked and locked, its a non issue.....


chambering on the drawstroke is not an option.......


Yes, there are some compact 1911's that are reasonably small and not TOO heavy, but they are not the easiest things to conceal. The average CCW carrier may not pack their piece if it is too inconvenient... and a .38 in the pocket is way better than a .45 you left at home because "you were just running to the store and didn't want to bother..."




There is that, if i were to carry the .38 it's hafta be the james bond ppk...


Just sayin'... I know a lot of guys that are 1911 advocates, but not many of them actually conceal a 1911 on their person on a daily basis. The really really serious shooters, yes... like a guy I know who trains SWAT. Joe Average, generally not so much.

The ballistics and real-world-shooting-reports on the effectiveness of the 9mm, .357 magnum, .40 and .45 do differ, but they don't differ dramatically. A quality hollowpoint in any of those calibers, with proper shot placement, will do the job nicely.



I think they differ just enough to make one more deader better ;)


Don't take the cheap parachute....




I know some people don't like Glocks, but a heck of a lot of us do. They're good guns, they shoot straight and run reliably. The only thing I don't like about them for CCW is the thickness of the grip; makes concealment harder.


I don't like the "trigger saftey" at all... I think a lot of officers and others have been victims of this poor design....



A lot of the serious pro's are going to the S&W M&P 9mm, especially the compact model for CCW. I shot one recently and am considering a purchase.


I haven't shot that one yet....



It can be done with a quality holster, yes...but I'll bet you have to watch how you bend and stretch, yes?


No I just usually carry:


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Glazers are good for times when overpenetration is a serious issue...but mostly I'd just stick with a good JHP, like Cor-bon gold-dots.


hydra-shocks +p



Holy cow, we may have met at some point and didn't know it... ever work with Vickers or Hackathorne?


I am aquainted with larry, I have met Ken on numerous shoots. ;)
 
The ballistics and real-world-shooting-reports on the effectiveness of the 9mm, .357 magnum, .40 and .45 do differ, but they don't differ dramatically. A quality hollowpoint in any of those calibers, with proper shot placement, will do the job nicely.
Again, not an expert, but do the +P rounds do much for you as far as knock-down power? I figured one could pick up a little momentum with a smaller caliber if it were traveling a little faster.
 
Again, not an expert, but do the +P rounds do much for you as far as knock-down power? I figured one could pick up a little momentum with a smaller caliber if it were traveling a little faster.




"knock down" power is a myth....
 
"knock down" power is a myth....
Is it not the case that a round that does not pass through an object transfers 100% of its momentum into that object? Isn't that one of the objectives of firing upon a body, in addition to rapid exsanguination?
 
Higher velocity (+p) helps with hollow point expansion, which maketh bigger holes in Ye Bad Guy. :mrgreen:
 
Really though, shot placement is key, moreso than any distinctions about caliber or bullet type. A 9mm through the "golden triangle" (the triangle formed by the brow-ridges and the chin) is better than a .454 Casul through the gut.
 
Higher velocity (+p) helps with hollow point expansion, which maketh bigger holes in Ye Bad Guy. :mrgreen:
Mmm, I see. Makes sense.

Bigger holes in bad guys is good.
 
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