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Do you have a conceal and carry license?

Do you have a conceal and carry permit?

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Jerry said:
That's like saying I'm biased in your favor for using your name when I quote you saying something :roll:
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He is correct unfortunatly. Any justice can write an opinion on any specific ruling. It is my understanding that if Scalia wrote the courts opinion then he was on the side which agreed with that ruling. If not then he would have written a dissenting opinion. And it would have been called that.

So yes, the opinion he wrote was his own.
 
Laila said:
Somalia has tribal undercurrents. Cannot be compared to many other countries.
Personally I think if everyone was armed in Somalia rather than the weapons being in the hands of the warlords or Islamist. Somalia would be that much safer.
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Arming all of the people is not the answer, at least in the long term..
Somalia desperately needs better people.
One thing our nation must learn is that other nations are still living in a previous century(ies). This must be respected.
We must lead by example.
 
Alvin T. Grey said:
It depends on how you view the statistics.
Study after study has shown that the vast majority of murders are comitted by ones nearest and dearest.
Murder - Crime in the United States 2004

Couple of things I take out of these statistics:

1: For the incidents in which the relationships were known, 76.8 percent of the victims knew their killers and 23.2 percent were slain by strangers. Among the incidents in which the victims knew their killers, 29.8 percent were murdered by family members and 70.2 percent were killed by acquaintances. (Based on Table 2.11.) The 2004 data also revealed that 33.0 percent of female victims were killed by their husbands or boyfriends, and 2.7 percent of the male victims were slain by their wives or girlfriends. (Based on Tables 2.4 and 2.11.)

2.Law enforcement cited that arguments, including those over money or property, were the cause for 44.4 percent of the murders. Other circumstances, such as brawls and juvenile gang killings, were noted in 12.8 percent of the murders

One could argue that those figures do not suggest premeditation.


As I have pointed out above the statistics suggest that most murders are comitted by a family member or a friend, mostly over an arguement, and in a large amount of times during a brawl.
The presence of a firearm in those situations is not advisable.
That is the point I was making.







It's not.
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* A study claiming "guns are three times more likely to kill you than help you" is a total fraud. Even using the low figures from the Clinton Justice Department, firearms are used almost 50 times more often to save life than to take life.15 More importantly, however, the figure claiming one is three times more likely to be killed by one’s own gun is a total lie:

* Researcher Don Kates reveals that all available data now indicates that the "home gun homicide victims [in the flawed study] were killed using guns not kept in the victim's home."16

* In other words, the victims were NOT murdered with their own guns! They were killed "by intruders who brought their own guns to the victim's household."17
 
ptif219 said:
The Bias is having to mention Scalia
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I mentioned Scalia to correct the poster I responded to.
You're stepping in mid-conversation and not looking at the context in which the posts were made. Knock it off.
 
Goobieman said:
I mentioned Scalia to correct the poster I responded to.
You're stepping in mid-conversation and not looking at the context in which the posts were made. Knock it off.
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So lets see. When the supreme court makes a decision there are explanations from both sides. If it is Scalia you say so. But if it is the liberal side it is the court?
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ptif219 said:
So lets see. When the supreme court makes a decision there are explanations from both sides. If it is Scalia you say so. But if it is the liberal side it is the court?
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I'm trying to understand the point you're making and it is eluding me.

When the court makes a decision, there is usually a write-up. Typically one person from the majority writes the decision. It is usually reported something like this: "Scalia, writing for the majority, says..."

Scalia wrote it, writing for the majority of the court that ruled in that manner.

Sometimes one of the justices on the losing side writes a dissent. His name is usually on it, as in "Scalia, writing for the dissent, says..."

I gather that you're arguing semantics because you think he's saying "the court" when it is one way, and "Scalia wrote..." when it is the other.

Okay. What was the point to start with? Was there one? Did it have something to do with the original subject at all?
 
ptif219 said:
You mentioned Scalia and the court.


The court (not Scalia) said:
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You're thinking of someone else's posts. I haven't quoted Scalia or the court at all on this thread.
 
Goshin said:
I'm trying to understand the point you're making and it is eluding me.

When the court makes a decision, there is usually a write-up. Typically one person from the majority writes the decision. It is usually reported something like this: "Scalia, writing for the majority, says..."

Scalia wrote it, writing for the majority of the court that ruled in that manner.

Sometimes one of the justices on the losing side writes a dissent. His name is usually on it, as in "Scalia, writing for the dissent, says..."

I gather that you're arguing semantics because you think he's saying "the court" when it is one way, and "Scalia wrote..." when it is the other.

Okay. What was the point to start with? Was there one? Did it have something to do with the original subject at all?
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You only point out Scalia like no others said anything about the decision
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So You are saying the presence of a gun caused people to be more likley involved in domestic disputes? :doh
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No,
I am saying that the presence of a firearm during the dispute greatly raised the chances of it going south.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
* A study claiming "guns are three times more likely to kill you than help you" is a total fraud. Even using the low figures from the Clinton Justice Department, firearms are used almost 50 times more often to save life than to take life.15 More importantly, however, the figure claiming one is three times more likely to be killed by one’s own gun is a total lie:

* Researcher Don Kates reveals that all available data now indicates that the "home gun homicide victims [in the flawed study] were killed using guns not kept in the victim's home."16

* In other words, the victims were NOT murdered with their own guns! They were killed "by intruders who brought their own guns to the victim's household."17
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Firstly, I'm not citing any single study. I'm citing the crime statistics from your FBI. The interpretation is mine.

Secondly the focus of your post is based on a stranger/home invasion. The FBI identified this as one of the least likely scenarios (in the region of 23%)

Thirdly I never said they were murdered by their own guns, I said they were murdered by their own friends. Friends who knew they were armed and it didn't make a blind bit of difference. Except maybe to make sure they were armed too.
 
Alvin T. Grey said:
Firstly, I'm not citing any single study. I'm citing the crime statistics from your FBI. The interpretation is mine.

Secondly the focus of your post is based on a stranger/home invasion. The FBI identified this as one of the least likely scenarios (in the region of 23%)

Thirdly I never said they were murdered by their own guns, I said they were murdered by their own friends. Friends who knew they were armed and it didn't make a blind bit of difference. Except maybe to make sure they were armed too.
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So what are you saying? :doh
 
ptif219 said:
You only point out Scalia like no others said anything about the decision
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I only point out Scalia? I didn't say anything about Scalia or any court decisions in this thread, until just now, when I was citing an example in an attempt to understand what the heck all the hoopla was about.

If I am not mistaken, ONE justice writes the opinion.

Hail, nevermind, I still haven't figured out why this was important to the subject in question, and I'm beginning to suspect no one else does either.
 
Goshin said:
I only point out Scalia? I didn't say anything about Scalia or any court decisions in this thread, until just now, when I was citing an example in an attempt to understand what the heck all the hoopla was about.

If I am not mistaken, ONE justice writes the opinion.

Hail, nevermind, I still haven't figured out why this was important to the subject in question, and I'm beginning to suspect no one else does either.
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I might be wrong (and I don't think I am) but I'm pretty sure he just accused goobieman of being a liberal. :rofl:rofl:rofl
 
Tucker Case said:
I might be wrong (and I don't think I am) but I'm pretty sure he just accused goobieman of being a liberal. :rofl:rofl:
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:eek: :rofl :duel





What an astonishing thought... I believe you're right.
 
Goshin said:
:eek: :rofl :duel





What an astonishing thought... I believe you're right.
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To be honest, since I lost this avatar bet with liblady, I'm kinda surprised I haven't been accused of being a hyper-librul by someone. I expect it will arrive shortly.
 
Tucker Case said:
To be honest, since I lost this avatar bet with liblady, I'm kinda surprised I haven't been accused of being a hyper-librul by someone. I expect it will arrive shortly.
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I did wonder what was up with that. :mrgreen:
 
Goshin said:
I did wonder what was up with that. :mrgreen:
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Same here.


Back on topic though... I have a friend of mine that is taking me shooting tomorrow evening at a local shooting range. The class costs $125.00 for the class alone... so I'm hoping I will find it worth it. Thanks to those that have responded and I apologize for using the wrong word "license" instead of "permit" but really.. driver's license.. driver's permit.... etc.....that is a technical slip and is not indicative of myself being less than bright or some dip**** who doesn't know my head from my ass. Just sayin'. ;)
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
Same here.


Back on topic though... I have a friend of mine that is taking me shooting tomorrow evening at a local shooting range. The class costs $125.00 for the class alone... so I'm hoping I will find it worth it. Thanks to those that have responded and I apologize for using the wrong word "license" instead of "permit" but really.. driver's license.. driver's permit.... etc.....that is a technical slip and is not indicative of myself being less than bright or some dip**** who doesn't know my head from my ass. Just sayin'. ;)
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It's all good; we cool. :cool: :mrgreen:

Hope your class goes well. If you ever get a chance to train with Craig Douglas, take it.
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
Same here.


Back on topic though... I have a friend of mine that is taking me shooting tomorrow evening at a local shooting range. The class costs $125.00 for the class alone... so I'm hoping I will find it worth it. Thanks to those that have responded and I apologize for using the wrong word "license" instead of "permit" but really.. driver's license.. driver's permit.... etc.....that is a technical slip and is not indicative of myself being less than bright or some dip**** who doesn't know my head from my ass. Just sayin'. ;)
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Taking a class is a great idea. It's not required in this state (Georgia) to get one though. Because of my work, I have to go to a class and shoot the Beretta 9mm handgun every two years.
 
Goshin said:
It's all good; we cool. :cool: :mrgreen:

Hope your class goes well. If you ever get a chance to train with Craig Douglas, take it.
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Thanks for the tip. :)

I just wish I would have started years ago.

On a different note...I'm actually getting into bow and arrow and love it. Only problem is, I need to work on my upper body strength as I'm still a bit shaky on compounds. :(
 
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