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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Sane View Post
    I havn't shown anyone, any disrespect. Disagreeing isn't a sign of disrespect, nor is stating facts from my own personal life experiences involving guns, and gun owners. Guess we can agree to disagree, I've stated my opinion thoroughly. Nothing more to add.
    Well, I'm afraid I'd have to disagree with you again, young man.

    These are your words:

    Unless there is a direct threat, or a real fear (i.e. work in the bad part of town), carrying concealed, is kinda dumb.
    I'm also tired of countless citizens, who feel empowered by guns. When they pull it on a hardened criminal, they're just as likely to get it snatched from there hand. What I'm really getting on about, is the people I've seen with permits, didn't take it as serious as they should have, and with enough thought, might have reconsidered.
    Sheesh, its hard to take anyone in this thread seriously
    Maybe its because I'm an old fart, but I'd consider quite a bit of that to be showing disrespect for those who carry. You said their actions were "kinda dumb", implied they were power tripping, implied they were so incompetent that some thug would just snatch their gun away from them, that they didn't think it through and if they had they would have reconsidered getting a carry permit. In short, you did everything but come right out and call the majority of permit holders inbred hillbilly cretins.

    Yet, the facts show that permit holders get into far less trouble than the general population... Thus my suggestion that you might show a measure of respect for them, which to this point was decidedly (and deliberately) lacking.
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I shot an unarmed mugger one time-he and his partner jumped me in an alley and started beating on me when I put a 9mm through his stomach, blowing out his rectum. I wasn't even arrested.
    Ouch ... I bet that made him popular in the prison yard!

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Ouch ... I bet that made him popular in the prison yard!
    well one of the funniest things in that unfortunate incident was when the judge asked the DA what the biggest problem was facing the mugger and the DA said "his first date in prison" (he got three years-most of it was for violating parole, the assault was not as serious)



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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, I'm afraid I'd have to disagree with you again, young man.

    These are your words:







    Maybe its because I'm an old fart, but I'd consider quite a bit of that to be showing disrespect for those who carry. You said their actions were "kinda dumb", implied they were power tripping, implied they were so incompetent that some thug would just snatch their gun away from them, that they didn't think it through and if they had they would have reconsidered getting a carry permit. In short, you did everything but come right out and call the majority of permit holders inbred hillbilly cretins.

    Yet, the facts show that permit holders get into far less trouble than the general population... Thus my suggestion that you might show a measure of respect for them, which to this point was decidedly (and deliberately) lacking.
    Again, I'm not an anti-gun nut, I have a concealed pistol license. Personally, I would never conceal, unless I felt it was NECESSARY, for me that means a direct threat against my life. Just the "possibility" that something "might" happen, doesn't do it for me, that one should carry a dangerous weapon around. Honestly, and without a doubt my MAIN point, that when it comes to SELF-DEFENSE, Guns are a LAST resort. Heck, reading through this thread, it seems (and I refer in part to the topic starter), that people havn't considered other options. Nor, do they consider the LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS, of drawing or using their gun. You, best of all in this thread should know Use of Force Doctrine. Sheesh, as I said, thats my personal feelings on when people should carry.

    For you, its one of many in your arsenal for self-defense. But, I'm not going to blindly say, everyone should carry, nor even recommend it. Seriously, of permit holders, how many carry on a regular basis, find that stat for me. For some its the novelty of it. Most people can't carry it in to work, and do you really want to leave it locked in your car? Damn, there is 5 days a week, your walking un-armed.

    Seriously, there are other and better options out there. Guns, at least to me speak to the single-minded approach a lot of us take to self-defense. That doesn't apply to you, but to suggest it doesn't apply to anyone with a permit...get off it. Seriously, what is it with guns and American culture that we get so damn Touchy-Feely, when someone just disagrees.

    And that is why I feel I havn't shown disrespect. I don't agree with a lot of things in our society, but heck, we have the Freedom to do as we please for the most part. And I'm happy we do.


    And for **** sake, it is hard to take this thread seriously. Its a poll on who has a permit or not, and there is very little discussion or debate, and quite a few cowboys.
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Sane View Post
    Again, I'm not an anti-gun nut, I have a concealed pistol license. Personally, I would never conceal, unless I felt it was NECESSARY, for me that means a direct threat against my life. Just the "possibility" that something "might" happen, doesn't do it for me, that one should carry a dangerous weapon around. Honestly, and without a doubt my MAIN point, that when it comes to SELF-DEFENSE, Guns are a LAST resort. Heck, reading through this thread, it seems (and I refer in part to the topic starter), that people havn't considered other options. Nor, do they consider the LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS, of drawing or using their gun. You, best of all in this thread should know Use of Force Doctrine. Sheesh, as I said, thats my personal feelings on when people should carry.

    For you, its one of many in your arsenal for self-defense. But, I'm not going to blindly say, everyone should carry, nor even recommend it. Seriously, of permit holders, how many carry on a regular basis, find that stat for me. For some its the novelty of it. Most people can't carry it in to work, and do you really want to leave it locked in your car? Damn, there is 5 days a week, your walking un-armed.
    I doubt there are any credible statistics on how many permit holders carry regularly, and how regularly they carry. I'd have to go with anecdotal evidence on that one. I know people who have a permit so that if they feel theatened at any point, they can legally carry... which you said is your own position. I know others who carry only under certain circumstances, and others who carry about 24/7.
    Some places of business are posted against carry, some are not. If yours is, then whether it is worth it to you to leave your gun locked in the car so that it is there for you when you go somewhere after work, or when you arrive home... personal decision based on your own needs and priorities.


    Seriously, there are other and better options out there. Guns, at least to me speak to the single-minded approach a lot of us take to self-defense. That doesn't apply to you, but to suggest it doesn't apply to anyone with a permit...get off it. Seriously, what is it with guns and American culture that we get so damn Touchy-Feely, when someone just disagrees.

    And that is why I feel I havn't shown disrespect. I don't agree with a lot of things in our society, but heck, we have the Freedom to do as we please for the most part. And I'm happy we do.


    And for **** sake, it is hard to take this thread seriously. Its a poll on who has a permit or not, and there is very little discussion or debate, and quite a few cowboys.
    The OP question was about who has a permit, not who carries OC or a knife, or has a martial arts background, so naturally guns are the main topic of conversation. I don't disagree that guns are one option within a well-structured self-protection plan... just that in my experience they are a pretty important option.

    None of that changes the fact that you took a very high-handed attitude towards 'Joe Average Citizen with a Carry Permit' that was highly critical, disparaging and dismissive; let which lacked factual support as I have demonstrated. The plain fact is that your characterization of permit holders as uninformed, unskilled, uncommitted, Wyatt-Earp-wannabees has been demonstrated to be contrary to the facts. For some reason you just don't want to admit it, even to the point of trying to deny that you mischaracterized permit-holders in a very negative manner. Simply reading back over your posts proves otherwise.

    These are your words:


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    Unless there is a direct threat, or a real fear (i.e. work in the bad part of town), carrying concealed, is kinda dumb.

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    I'm also tired of countless citizens, who feel empowered by guns. When they pull it on a hardened criminal, they're just as likely to get it snatched from there hand. What I'm really getting on about, is the people I've seen with permits, didn't take it as serious as they should have, and with enough thought, might have reconsidered.

    It takes a man of character to admit he was mistaken about something. Are you a man of character, or will you persist in this denial?

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    If you feel I've been disrespectful, well some people don't deserve any.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Sane View Post
    If you feel I've been disrespectful, well some people don't deserve any.
    Who would those "some people" be?

    Those permit holders you've encountered whom you formed a negative viewpoint about? How many would that be, as a 22yo Armed Security Guard...2? 10? 20? It doesn't seem the number could be much higher.

    If you wish to reaffirm the assumption that your negative view of CCW people is based on an irrational, or at best limited-anecdotal, prejudice, then statements like that certainly add fuel to the fire.

    I've posted these stats:

    Concealed carry in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    North Carolina reports only 0.2% of their 263,102 holders had their license revoked in the 10 years since they have adopted the law.[61]

    Permit holders are a remarkably law-abiding subclass of the population. Florida, which has issued over 1,408,907 permits in twenty one years, has revoked only 166 for a "crime after licensure involving a firearm," and fewer than 4,500 permits for any reason.[62]
    I've also looked at stats from Ohio, Tennessee, and other states, and they are similar. "Problem" permit holders number less than 0.3% of the total, yet your previous statements tar the majority with charges of incompetence bordering on idiocy. If you tarred any other group, say an ethnic group, based on the actions of 0.3% of that group... well you know what word would be used to describe that.

    FYI, Tennesee had a number of instances where CCW's shot perps and were held justified; Tenn had zero incidents where CCW's injured innocent bystanders or shot the wrong person. That puts them slightly ahead of police stats, I'm afraid.

    As for whether the desire of CCW's to go armed is rational or irrational...

    More Guns, Less Crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    John Lott's study is not without controversy, but remains significant:
    Lott examines the effects of shall issue laws on violent crime across the United States.

    His conclusion is that shall issue laws, which allow citizens to carry concealed weapons, steadily decrease violent crime. He explains that this result makes sense because criminals are deterred by the risk of attacking an armed victim. As more citizens arm themselves, the danger to criminals increases.

    Crime in the United States
    Chance of Any Single Individual Being a Victim of Violent Crime In Their Lifetime: Currently about 65 to 70%, depending on age, profession, lifestyle, geographic and demographic factors.(US DoJ, FBI UCR)
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    I am taking a class currently to get my conceal and carry permit.

    Does anyone here have this already?

    What was your experience with this class and/or the entire process?
    My answer to your poll would have been, "Wish I could have one, but I can't in my country". Canada doesn't allow conceal and carry, no matter how many courses you pay for. If you carry concealed weapons here it's automatically illegal.

    I'm starting the gun course in March and will apply for a handgun license later. Even if I can't conceal carry I'll at least have some weapons in case stuff goes down.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    I looked into the situation in my state. If I decided to pursue such a concealed weapon license I would hire somebody to do all the footwork. Probably my friend Chris, the lawyer.

    It's just too much stuff I hate to do myself. I've never been arrested which seems to be a big deal.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    You have to get different licenses based on caliber? Interesting.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    shocking.......
    Yep.
    You apply for a firearms license. Each firearm you register is attached to that license. However in order to import or procure the amunition you have to be registered for that calibre. It's to prevent the legal importation of amunition for suspect calibres. 9MM being the most controlled. It's a throwback to the bad old days of terrorism in Ireland.

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