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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    For yourself, I'd say a small frame .38 revolver would be best. Decent enough calibre and they have a tendency not to jam. Plus if you need more than six shots, you are in serious bother.
    Minor point, but the S&W Model 500 carries only five rounds if memory serves.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    .45 what I reccomend and what I run, anything less is a compromise.



    Personally, I carry either a full framed Kimber 1911, or a compact 1911, Though those require more maintenence than most people are ready for.... I can conceal a full framed 1911 with a tac light under t-shirt and jeans.
    I'm no expert, but I love my Colt 1911. The Thompson-LaGarde tests were enough to convince me. I just have to figure out how to carry one like you do. I have a Fobus paddle holster that I like to pack in the small of the back, but it is obvious to anyone that I'm carrying, plus it's impossible to drive around with that jamming me in the back.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I'm no expert, but I love my Colt 1911. The Thompson-LaGarde tests were enough to convince me. I just have to figure out how to carry one like you do. I have a Fobus paddle holster that I like to pack in the small of the back, but it is obvious to anyone that I'm carrying, plus it's impossible to drive around with that jamming me in the back.


    You need a better holster. Try sparks, Rosen, Brigade gunleather.


    Small of the back at the right angle and carry ita bit higher... and it's not obvious as you think.
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You need a better holster. Try sparks, Rosen, Brigade gunleather.


    Small of the back at the right angle and carry ita bit higher... and it's not obvious as you think.
    Thanks, I will look into it.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    .50 cal? what are you afraid of? Being mugged by a Rhino?

    For yourself, I'd say a small frame .38 revolver would be best. Decent enough calibre and they have a tendency not to jam. Plus if you need more than six shots, you are in serious bother.
    If you are talking about CCW you need to be able to conceal it. In order to do that you need to think about what you wear. And a large gun means a severe restriction on wardrobe choice.
    And forget about carrying it in your handbag. Ever try finding your keys quickly in one of those?

    I'd add that you should save your pennies for a box of frangibles (more expensive) if you are going to keep it loaded in the home. You can use cheaper rounds at the range during practice.

    But most importantly, don't trust anything you hear (even from the likes of me). Take a class in firearms safety and handling.
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    A Smith J-frame, 5 shot .38spl, is still one of the most widely carried concealed weapons. It is adequate for most purposes.

    A 9mm would be a step up in effectiveness. There is a pricey but first-rate option, the Rohrbaugh R9, which is truly tiny and very lightweight but has six or seven rounds of 9mm. I consider the improvement in ballistics to be worth it, but the J-frame .38 would be a good "starter concealed-carry gun".

    I carry a compact .40 on a daily basis, but that's just my personal preference.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    A Smith J-frame, 5 shot .38spl, is still one of the most widely carried concealed weapons. It is adequate for most purposes.
    I used to carry one of those all the time until I left it in my truck and it was stolen. That is a lovely piece, though. My only issue with it is that the stock grip is too short, and/or my hands are too big. I had to spend a couple of bucks and get a custom grip before I could feel comfortable shooting it.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I carry a compact .40 on a daily basis, but that's just my personal preference.
    I have 4" S&W M620.
    It does not conceal well w/o the proper clothes, but is another otherwise great gun.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Incorrect, the .38 is anemic, and you have the rest of your life to win a gunfight, therefore, one should not count on only being in less than a "serious bother"..


    .45 what I reccomend and what I run, anything less is a compromise.



    Personally, I carry either a full framed Kimber 1911, or a compact 1911, Though those require more maintenence than most people are ready for....

    HK usp series, para ord, etc, are all good. I run kimbers.

    Stay away from glocks. I hate glocks and make no apologies about it.

    Though it saddens me beyond all measure, I must disagree with the awesomeness that is the Good Reverend.

    A .38spl is pretty much the lower end of effective self-defense rounds, but it isn't really all that far behind the ubiquitously-popular 9mm in ballistics.

    I like 1911's, but the average shooter is going have some issues. You either have to carry cocked-and-locked, which some people dislike, or you have to train yourself to chamber on the drawstroke, which I consider too much wasted time.

    Yes, there are some compact 1911's that are reasonably small and not TOO heavy, but they are not the easiest things to conceal. The average CCW carrier may not pack their piece if it is too inconvenient... and a .38 in the pocket is way better than a .45 you left at home because "you were just running to the store and didn't want to bother..."

    Just sayin'... I know a lot of guys that are 1911 advocates, but not many of them actually conceal a 1911 on their person on a daily basis. The really really serious shooters, yes... like a guy I know who trains SWAT. Joe Average, generally not so much.

    The ballistics and real-world-shooting-reports on the effectiveness of the 9mm, .357 magnum, .40 and .45 do differ, but they don't differ dramatically. A quality hollowpoint in any of those calibers, with proper shot placement, will do the job nicely.

    I know some people don't like Glocks, but a heck of a lot of us do. They're good guns, they shoot straight and run reliably. The only thing I don't like about them for CCW is the thickness of the grip; makes concealment harder.

    A lot of the serious pro's are going to the S&W M&P 9mm, especially the compact model for CCW. I shot one recently and am considering a purchase.






    I can conceal a full framed 1911 with a tac light under t-shirt and jeans.
    It can be done with a quality holster, yes...but I'll bet you have to watch how you bend and stretch, yes?


    frangables suck. If you want to use something like that, Glazer saftey slugs, but even then, there will be times you might just want to shoot through that sheetrock.
    Glazers are good for times when overpenetration is a serious issue...but mostly I'd just stick with a good JHP, like Cor-bon gold-dots.






    As a point of reference, and others can vouch, I have taught and trained both pistol and carbine CQB for years. I am an assistant instructor (very part time/volunteer) for a very well known weapons training company. We teach LEO, .mil, conractors, and civillians.....
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Though it saddens me beyond all measure, I must disagree with the awesomeness that is the Good Reverend. en:

    That's ok, I once disagreed with myself, just to see what it felt like to be "wrong".....


    A .38spl is pretty much the lower end of effective self-defense rounds, but it isn't really all that far behind the ubiquitously-popular 9mm in ballistics.

    I still think both are compromises.....compared to both the .40 and the .45




    I like 1911's, but the average shooter is going have some issues. You either have to carry cocked-and-locked, which some people dislike, or you have to train yourself to chamber on the drawstroke, which I consider too much wasted time.
    I think "cocked and locked" is still far safer than "glocked"...


    once you get comfortable with cocked and locked, its a non issue.....


    chambering on the drawstroke is not an option.......


    Yes, there are some compact 1911's that are reasonably small and not TOO heavy, but they are not the easiest things to conceal. The average CCW carrier may not pack their piece if it is too inconvenient... and a .38 in the pocket is way better than a .45 you left at home because "you were just running to the store and didn't want to bother..."



    There is that, if i were to carry the .38 it's hafta be the james bond ppk...



    Just sayin'... I know a lot of guys that are 1911 advocates, but not many of them actually conceal a 1911 on their person on a daily basis. The really really serious shooters, yes... like a guy I know who trains SWAT. Joe Average, generally not so much.

    The ballistics and real-world-shooting-reports on the effectiveness of the 9mm, .357 magnum, .40 and .45 do differ, but they don't differ dramatically. A quality hollowpoint in any of those calibers, with proper shot placement, will do the job nicely.


    I think they differ just enough to make one more deader better


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    I know some people don't like Glocks, but a heck of a lot of us do. They're good guns, they shoot straight and run reliably. The only thing I don't like about them for CCW is the thickness of the grip; makes concealment harder.

    I don't like the "trigger saftey" at all... I think a lot of officers and others have been victims of this poor design....




    A lot of the serious pro's are going to the S&W M&P 9mm, especially the compact model for CCW. I shot one recently and am considering a purchase.

    I haven't shot that one yet....



    It can be done with a quality holster, yes...but I'll bet you have to watch how you bend and stretch, yes?

    No I just usually carry:












    Glazers are good for times when overpenetration is a serious issue...but mostly I'd just stick with a good JHP, like Cor-bon gold-dots.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The ballistics and real-world-shooting-reports on the effectiveness of the 9mm, .357 magnum, .40 and .45 do differ, but they don't differ dramatically. A quality hollowpoint in any of those calibers, with proper shot placement, will do the job nicely.
    Again, not an expert, but do the +P rounds do much for you as far as knock-down power? I figured one could pick up a little momentum with a smaller caliber if it were traveling a little faster.

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