View Poll Results: Do you have a conceal and carry permit?

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    He wrote the opinion, saying so is merely a fact, not bias.

    Now why don't you forget the pretend semantics game and address the ruling. Alternatively, you might respond to the ruling being used as a source with another source.
    I see if you disagree it is Scalia if you agree it is the court

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I see if you disagree it is Scalia if you agree it is the court
    WTF are you talking about? I never said that.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    What exactly are you two arguing about? I've lost track.
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    WTF are you talking about? I never said that.
    You mentioned Scalia and the court.


    The court (not Scalia) said:

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm being a little ornery here because you seem to be of the opinion that simply offering that some token few incidents of domestic violence somehow changes or negates the statistical facts over the greater population.
    It depends on how you view the statistics.
    Study after study has shown that the vast majority of murders are comitted by ones nearest and dearest.
    Murder - Crime in the United States 2004

    Couple of things I take out of these statistics:

    1: For the incidents in which the relationships were known, 76.8 percent of the victims knew their killers and 23.2 percent were slain by strangers. Among the incidents in which the victims knew their killers, 29.8 percent were murdered by family members and 70.2 percent were killed by acquaintances. (Based on Table 2.11.) The 2004 data also revealed that 33.0 percent of female victims were killed by their husbands or boyfriends, and 2.7 percent of the male victims were slain by their wives or girlfriends. (Based on Tables 2.4 and 2.11.)

    2.Law enforcement cited that arguments, including those over money or property, were the cause for 44.4 percent of the murders. Other circumstances, such as brawls and juvenile gang killings, were noted in 12.8 percent of the murders

    One could argue that those figures do not suggest premeditation.

    Reverend_Hellh0und made a statement about a population, and your response was to state something about negligible exceptions. Yes, there are incidents of domestic violence involving a firearms. So the **** what? What you said does not change what Reverend_Hellh0und said. What the **** are you talking about? Are you ignorant on the topic or are you deliberately trolling? If you're ignorant we will be happy to educate you. If you're trolling, please just leave the thread.
    As I have pointed out above the statistics suggest that most murders are comitted by a family member or a friend, mostly over an arguement, and in a large amount of times during a brawl.
    The presence of a firearm in those situations is not advisable.
    That is the point I was making.






    That's an opinion easily refuted with empirical evidence. You may have a problem with people protecting themselves, but I don't.
    It's not.
    Last edited by Alvin T. Grey; 01-26-10 at 06:42 AM.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's like saying I'm biased in your favor for using your name when I quote you saying something
    He is correct unfortunatly. Any justice can write an opinion on any specific ruling. It is my understanding that if Scalia wrote the courts opinion then he was on the side which agreed with that ruling. If not then he would have written a dissenting opinion. And it would have been called that.

    So yes, the opinion he wrote was his own.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Somalia has tribal undercurrents. Cannot be compared to many other countries.
    Personally I think if everyone was armed in Somalia rather than the weapons being in the hands of the warlords or Islamist. Somalia would be that much safer.
    Arming all of the people is not the answer, at least in the long term..
    Somalia desperately needs better people.
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    There are a lot of domestic disputes gone bad that prove you wrong there.



    So You are saying the presence of a gun caused people to be more likley involved in domestic disputes?
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    It depends on how you view the statistics.
    Study after study has shown that the vast majority of murders are comitted by ones nearest and dearest.
    Murder - Crime in the United States 2004

    Couple of things I take out of these statistics:

    1: For the incidents in which the relationships were known, 76.8 percent of the victims knew their killers and 23.2 percent were slain by strangers. Among the incidents in which the victims knew their killers, 29.8 percent were murdered by family members and 70.2 percent were killed by acquaintances. (Based on Table 2.11.) The 2004 data also revealed that 33.0 percent of female victims were killed by their husbands or boyfriends, and 2.7 percent of the male victims were slain by their wives or girlfriends. (Based on Tables 2.4 and 2.11.)

    2.Law enforcement cited that arguments, including those over money or property, were the cause for 44.4 percent of the murders. Other circumstances, such as brawls and juvenile gang killings, were noted in 12.8 percent of the murders

    One could argue that those figures do not suggest premeditation.


    As I have pointed out above the statistics suggest that most murders are comitted by a family member or a friend, mostly over an arguement, and in a large amount of times during a brawl.
    The presence of a firearm in those situations is not advisable.
    That is the point I was making.







    It's not.





    * A study claiming "guns are three times more likely to kill you than help you" is a total fraud. Even using the low figures from the Clinton Justice Department, firearms are used almost 50 times more often to save life than to take life.15 More importantly, however, the figure claiming one is three times more likely to be killed by one’s own gun is a total lie:

    * Researcher Don Kates reveals that all available data now indicates that the "home gun homicide victims [in the flawed study] were killed using guns not kept in the victim's home."16

    * In other words, the victims were NOT murdered with their own guns! They were killed "by intruders who brought their own guns to the victim's household."17
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    WTF are you talking about? I never said that.
    Nobody knows, Jerry. Just nod, smile and back away slowly.

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