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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    How does that prove me wrong?
    I'm being a little ornery here because you seem to be of the opinion that simply offering that some token few incidents of domestic violence somehow changes or negates the statistical facts over the greater population.

    Reverend_Hellh0und made a statement about a population, and your response was to state something about negligible exceptions. Yes, there are incidents of domestic violence involving a firearms. So the **** what? What you said does not change what Reverend_Hellh0und said. What the **** are you talking about? Are you ignorant on the topic or are you deliberately trolling? If you're ignorant we will be happy to educate you. If you're trolling, please just leave the thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Or are you saying that the presence of a firearm in the house actually prevented a domestic dispute?
    In the home, or on the person, either-or.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Because that is quite frankly bollox.
    That's an opinion easily refuted with empirical evidence. You may have a problem with people protecting themselves, but I don't.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is just sad.

    The court (not Scalia) said:

    This is a simple statemment that the right has boundaries. This is not new, as everyone knows that all rights have boundaries; things outside those boundaries do not enjoy the protection of the right.
    This is my postion, exactly.

    The court (not Scalia) then said:

    This is an example of how there is a limit to the 'manner and purpose' of keeping and carrying a weapon, and how that limit is relatedto the boundary of the right itself. No one argues that these restrctions violate the right to arms as everyone agrees that these things lie outside the right.

    THEN the court (not Scalia) said:

    Look! A reference to Miller! Who brought up Miller? Me!
    As per Miller....
    All classes firearns are "in common use" and "part of the regular equipment" of the standing army. This precludes the use of this decision to support the idea that some firearms can be prohibited from ownership and use by the citizenry, as ALL of them fall under the definition of "arms".


    Yes. I understand that the decision doesn't support your position.

    This interpretation is erronious.
    The court (not Scalia) said that SOME restrictions, such as those noted, that deal with things that lie outside the right to arms, do not violate the amendment, not that any every manner of restriction is allowed by the Constitution. Allowable restrictions are based on the inherent limits to the right -- just I said.

    So, the court (not Scalia) said that:
    -The right to arms is held by the individual, regardless of his relationship to the militia;
    -Restrictions that limit things that fall outside the right to arms are allowed by the Constitution.
    -Keeping and bearing of any and all classes of fireams, being 'in common use' and 'part of ordinary military equipment' are protected by the Constitution
    Interesting that DH did not respond to this.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Interesting that DH did not respond to this.
    Who is the court?

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Who is the court?
    The Supreme Court of the United States, in its ruling... as opposed to Scalia, in his opinion.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 01-25-10 at 01:57 PM.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The Supreme Court of the United States, in its ruling... as opposed to Scalia, in his opinion.
    There is no court judges write this. Which judge wrote it.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    There is no court judges write this. Which judge wrote it.
    No one judge writes the ruling/holding. It is a product of the court as a whole.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No one judge writes the ruling/holding. It is a product of the court as a whole.
    Yeah sure. Unless it is Scalia

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Yeah sure. Unless it is Scalia
    Apparently you dont understand the difference between the holding of the court -- the actual ruling -- and the majority/concurring/dissenting opinion. Allow me to help remove the veil of ignorance that covers your eyes.

    The holding of the court is the decision voted on by the court, and as such, it is not written by a justice. This is the actual law of the ruling, the part that binding on the parties involved, the part that resolves the issue between them, and the part that creates precedent.

    This contrasts with the majority/concurring/dissenting opinions, which -are- written by justices, whose names are attached to same. The opinion, while often useful in explaining the reasoning of the ruling and may be useful when consiudering other cases, is not actual law, and is not binding on anyone.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Apparently you dont understand the difference between the holding of the court -- the actual ruling -- and the majority/concurring/dissenting opinion. Allow me to help remove the veil of ignorance that covers your eyes.

    The holding of the court is the decision voted on by the court, and as such, it is not written by a justice. This is the actual law of the ruling, the part that binding on the parties involved, the part that resolves the issue between them, and the part that creates precedent.

    This contrasts with the majority/concurring/dissenting opinions, which -are- written by justices, whose names are attached to same. The opinion, while often useful in explaining the reasoning of the ruling and may be useful when consiudering other cases, is not actual law, and is not binding on anyone.
    Then why mention Scalia?

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Then why mention Scalia?
    The person to whom I was responding thought that Scalia wrote the ruling, and that since Scalia, a conservative, wrote it, then the pro-gun side should take it (and the posters interpretation) as gospel.

    I was merely pointing out his error, and left alone his fallacy.

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