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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Do your own work. Read the posts on this thread.
    I said name them, now!
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    I've wanted to get a permit for a long time, but I have had other priorities. I've carried one anyway on a couple occasions when I thought it might be good to have with me. I usually have a handgun in the car when I go on long drives, because you never know where you might breakdown.

    It is extremely easy here to get a permit though:

    General Information:

    A license to carry authorizes a person to carry a handgun on or about his person, openly or in certain concealed positions. These include: in a shoulder or waist belt holster, hip grip, or similar device, handbag, purse, attaché case, briefcase, or other closed container.

    Requirements - All Applicants:

    -Must be 21 years of age
    -Must be a resident of the county
    -A picture identification including applicant's physical address is required.
    -Military persons must bring a copy of their papers showing they are stationed at the base if they have not changed their driver's license.
    -Foreign nationals must have INS resident card. If you are a naturalized US citizen, you should bring your naturalization papers.

    Additional Information:

    Once the application process is complete in our office, all applicants will get fingerprinted at the Sheriff's Department (located in same building.) Their Fingerprint Cards will be sent to the FBI and GCIC.

    Applicants can expect to receive their license between two to four weeks unless something comes back on their background check.

    Fees:

    $60.00 (Cash or Money Order Only)
    NO Personal Checks will be accepted

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Actually Dirty Harry is the one who painted the (implausible) scenario, and got one or two people to argue with him about whether it should be legal or not. However, it is meaningless because there was no context to the scenario, no hint of the circumstances or apparent intentions of this hypothetical redneck with the highly-implausible LMG at the imaginary playground. The scenario just hangs there in space, unsupported, in the same way that bricks don't.

    Classical strawman ploy: paint a ridiculously extreme scenario as if it had relevance then knock it down.
    Wrong. Some people here believe that their right to bear arms should not be infringed. That a person should be free to carry any firearm wherever he wants, concealed or not.
    Implausible or not. It is about his constitutional right to do so. Intentions do not matter because no one can read his mind.
    You just don't get it. You should be arguing with the guy that believes it is his constitutional right to carry an M60 onto a playground.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Wrong. Some people here believe that their right to bear arms should not be infringed. That a person should be free to carry any firearm wherever he wants, concealed or not.
    Implausible or not. It is about his constitutional right to do so. Intentions do not matter because no one can read his mind. You just don't get it. You should be arguing with the guy that believes it is his constitutional right to carry an M60 onto a playground.
    I've been reading back over this thread. As best I see, nobody said they supported unconditionally the right of a redneck to carry an M60 into a playground. Nobody was quite stupid enough to rise to the bait. They argued the general principle but declined to bite into the strawman.

    The bolded sentence, about mind-reading, is also a straw man argument... I'll explain why below.

    As I said, your scenario is meaningless without context... perhaps you missed this post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'm an ex-cop from a state where every fourth car has a gun in the glovebox...legally.

    Mind readers? No. Trained to observe behavior, expression and body language, and the context of the situation, to determine whether a situation of Jeopardy exists? Yes.

    That's Jeopardy, as in the legal term, not the gameshow.

    Back to the frequency with which police encounter guns in my state... it isn't a huge deal. SOP is to tell the person to leave the gun where it is and not reach for it... most people aren't that stupid anyway, but the reminder helps. Normally SC cops only take someone's gun if they suspect ill intentions of some kind.

    Probable cause to believe someone's actions constitute Jeopardy is about the totality of the circumstances.

    If I'm at the playground, and there's a man there who's spent the last 30 min playing with his child, then his shirt rides up and I note that he has a concealed pistol on a belt holster under his shirt... absent other signs of malicious intentions I'd reasonably assume he was armed for defensive reasons. Granted I'd probably keep an eye on him afterwards.

    That isn't theoretical, btw, I've been in almost exactly that scenario.

    Some guy approaching the playground with an M60 LMG over his shoulder, loaded belt dangling from the breech, fixed stare on his face, hunched shoulders and reddened or paled complexion, stiff movements... the totality of those circumstances does indeed scream "Jeopardy!" and indicates some kind of action be taken, even if it were technically legal to bring an M60 onto a playground.

    For another example, my reactions would be very different if a man approached me with an AK47 slung over his shoulder on the sling, and otherwise appearing calm and unruffled, vs a man approaching me with an AK47 held in low-ready and body language indicating high stress levels.

    People actually do tend to broadcast their intentions in a manner that is often readily apparent to the trained eye.

    Again, context.
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Wrong. Some people here believe that their right to bear arms should not be infringed. That a person should be free to carry any firearm wherever he wants, concealed or not.
    Implausible or not. It is about his constitutional right to do so. Intentions do not matter because no one can read his mind.
    You just don't get it. You should be arguing with the guy that believes it is his constitutional right to carry an M60 onto a playground.
    You can't name them and won't.

    EPIC FAIL, you lose. Have a nice day.
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You can't name them and won't.

    EPIC FAIL, you lose. Have a nice day.
    Read the thread if you can read. If not, stay out of the debate. I am not going to reread the thread to satisfy you. I heard about guys like you on this forum. Get a life.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    [QUOTE=Goobieman;1058502872]Has the "wife-beating redneck' been convicted of a viuolent crime?
    Was the M-60 purchased legally?
    Does the playground have a 'no-gund' sign?
    Depending on the answers to these questions, the answer is yes.[/QUOTE

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Has the "wife-beating redneck' been convicted of a viuolent crime?
    Was the M-60 purchased legally?
    Does the playground have a 'no-gund' sign?
    Depending on the answers to these questions, the answer is yes.
    Okay, you got Goobie to bite into your strawman argument. Congratulations.

    Even so, his reply was not unconditional: in his post he was asking for some context of the fictitious and implausible scenario. He didn't ask the more important questions, like Who is this guy? Is he a National Guard Recruiter doing a demo with an unloaded weapon for some high-school prospects? Is the weapon loaded? Are the circumstances readily explicable or are they suspicious?

    The scenario remains unreasonably unlikely and extreme, nothing more than a ploy, in the absence of some kind of context that explains what is actually happening.
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Okay, you got Goobie to bite into your strawman argument. Congratulations.

    Even so, his reply was not unconditional: in his post he was asking for some context of the fictitious and implausible scenario. He didn't ask the more important questions, like Who is this guy? Is he a National Guard Recruiter doing a demo with an unloaded weapon for some high-school prospects? Is the weapon loaded? Are the circumstances readily explicable or are they suspicious?

    The scenario remains unreasonably unlikely and extreme, nothing more than a ploy, in the absence of some kind of context that explains what is actually happening.
    I guess you just don't get it, do you. It's about constitutional rights.
    Does a guy have a constitutional right to bring a weapon on to a playground if there are no signs. Intentions, who he is, why, circumstances, context... are not relevant. It is about his right to do so.

    Goobie believes it is a constitutional right and it doesn't even matter what kind of weapon it is.
    Last edited by Dirty Harry; 01-23-10 at 10:39 AM.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    I guess you just don't get it, do you. It's about constitutional rights.
    Does a guy have a constitutional right to bring a weapon on to a playground if there are no signs. Intentions, who he is, why, circumstances, context... are not relevant. It is about his right to do so.




    Yes, why wouldn't he be allowed to carry on a playground?
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