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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    It is about the right to bear arms. It really doesn't matter what your doing or what your intentions are. Does one have the right to carry a weapon on to a playground if their are no signs.
    Intention means nothing. A guy could just be excercising his constitutional right.
    No sir... You chose to take an extreme example, "redneck with a M60 on a playground" and use that as your talking point. The lack of context renders the scenario meaningless.

    Intentions mean nothing? On the contrary. If my intentions are honorable and benevolent, you are safe even if I am packing an M-60. If my intentions are psychopathically homicidal, you are not safe even if I am unarmed.

    If some psychopath with homicidal intentions approaches the playground to kill the children, you'd likely end up being darn glad I was there with my Glock 19, because I'd stop him or die trying. There's the diff in intentions.
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    It is about the right to bear arms. It really doesn't matter what your doing or what your intentions are. Does one have the right to carry a weapon on to a playground if their are no signs.
    Intention means nothing. A guy could just be excercising his constitutional right.
    some playgrounds are actually pretty violent places, you know.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    No sir... You chose to take an extreme example, "redneck with a M60 on a playground" and use that as your talking point. The lack of context renders the scenario meaningless.

    Intentions mean nothing? On the contrary. If my intentions are honorable and benevolent, you are safe even if I am packing an M-60. If my intentions are psychopathically homicidal, you are not safe even if I am unarmed.

    If some psychopath with homicidal intentions approaches the playground to kill the children, you'd likely end up being darn glad I was there with my Glock 19, because I'd stop him or die trying. There's the diff in intentions.
    And the police are mind readers so they know your intentions. Having bad intentions in itself is not a crime.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Only because its a job requirement.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    I don't hunt, and I live in the safest area in America. I have absolutely no reason to own a gun.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    And the police are mind readers so they know your intentions. Having bad intentions in itself is not a crime.

    I'm an ex-cop from a state where every fourth car has a gun in the glovebox...legally.

    Mind readers? No. Trained to observe behavior, expression and body language, and the context of the situation, to determine whether a situation of Jeopardy exists? Yes.

    That's Jeopardy, as in the legal term, not the gameshow.

    Back to the frequency with which police encounter guns in my state... it isn't a huge deal. SOP is to tell the person to leave the gun where it is and not reach for it... most people aren't that stupid anyway, but the reminder helps. Normally SC cops only take someone's gun if they suspect ill intentions of some kind.

    Probable cause to believe someone's actions constitute Jeopardy is about the totality of the circumstances.

    If I'm at the playground, and there's a man there who's spent the last 30 min playing with his child, then his shirt rides up and I note that he has a concealed pistol on a belt holster under his shirt... absent other signs of malicious intentions I'd reasonably assume he was armed for defensive reasons. Granted I'd probably keep an eye on him afterwards.

    That isn't theoretical, btw, I've been in almost exactly that scenario.

    Some guy approaching the playground with an M60 LMG over his shoulder, loaded belt dangling from the breech, fixed stare on his face, hunched shoulders and reddened or paled complexion, stiff movements... the totality of those circumstances does indeed scream "Jeopardy!" and indicates some kind of action be taken, even if it were technically legal to bring an M60 onto a playground.

    For another example, my reactions would be very different if a man approached me with an AK47 slung over his shoulder on the sling, and otherwise appearing calm and unruffled, vs a man approaching me with an AK47 held in low-ready and body language indicating high stress levels.

    People actually do tend to broadcast their intentions in a manner that is often readily apparent to the trained eye.

    Again, context.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    There are some here that think it is perfectly acceptable to carry an M60 machine gun onto a playground and it is his constitutional right. No strawman. They actually believe it.
    My point is some common sense rules concerning firearms are neccessary in a modern society. The Supreme court agrees with me.
    Name them.
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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    William Shatner on Gun Control - It's How Well You Aim the Gun (and carrying a gun).
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0D78JtxmqI"]YouTube- William Shatner on Gun Control - It's How Well You Aim the Gun[/ame]

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Name them.

    Actually Dirty Harry is the one who painted the (implausible) scenario, and got one or two people to argue with him about whether it should be legal or not. However, it is meaningless because there was no context to the scenario, no hint of the circumstances or apparent intentions of this hypothetical redneck with the highly-implausible LMG at the imaginary playground. The scenario just hangs there in space, unsupported, in the same way that bricks don't.

    Classical strawman ploy: paint a ridiculously extreme scenario as if it had relevance then knock it down.

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    Re: Do you have a conceal and carry license?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Name them.
    Do your own work. Read the posts on this thread.

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